Rumors buzz over Higgs boson

CERN

A computer simulation shows the particle tracks that would be associated with the detection of a Higgs event at the Large Hadron Collider's ATLAS detector. Fermilab's Tevatron is also looking for evidence of the Higgs particle.

The mysterious Higgs boson is thought to be involved in the generation of mass in the universe, but so far it seems to be best at the generation of rumors among particle physicists. A new wave of rumors is propagating even as we speak. Has the Higgs boson been detected at Fermilab's Tevatron? It might depend on what you mean by "detected." Or it might merely be a case of deja vu all over again.

Like an earlier case of Higgs boson hype, the latest wave appears to have been generated by Italian physicist Tommaso Dorigo on his blog, "A Quantum Diaries Survivor." Dorigo says he's "heard voices" talking about a Higgs effect that could be nailed down to a three-sigma level of confidence, or 99.3 percent. That's suggestive of a real effect, but not as good as the five-sigma "gold standard" for an accepted discovery.

In his item, Dorigo freely admits he has no idea whether the voices are right, even though he works on one of the Tevatron's two main experiments (CDF). "I know nothing at all, so I can certainly talk about it without violating any rule!" he writes. He goes on to review the work done at CDF and the other main experiment, D0, discussing the possibility that a lightweight Higgs particle might exist. Then he adds this appendix:

"Why am I doing this ? I know several 'serious' physicists and colleagues who have questioned this care-free attitude of mine in the past. What good does it do to shout 'Higgs' every second week ?

"It does a lot of good to particle physics, in my very humble, but not quite uninformed, opinion. I have made this point other times, and will not repeat it here. Suffices to say that, in a nutshell, keeping particle physics in the press with hints of possible discoveries that later die out is more important than speaking loud and clear once in ten years, when a groundbreaking discovery is actually really made, and keeping silent the rest of the time.

"And there is another reason why I find this kind of rumor-mongering entertaining: maybe some informed soul out there might comment anonymously and share some more gossip about the matter with us... ;-)"

Dorigo is dead-on about one thing: His hints have sparked a fresh uptick in press reports about particle physics. Follow-up reports have appeared on The Reference Frame blog as well as websites for the Telegraph, New Scientist, Discovery News ... and now in this space.

Why now? It's because a big particle-physics meeting is coming up next week in Paris, known as the International Conference on High Energy Physics or ICHEP. This will be the first ICHEP meeting to feature scientific results from Europe's Large Hadron Collider, which began its physics program earlier this year. "New results about the elusive Higgs boson, or signals of physics beyond the standard model might therefore be announced at this conference!" the ICHEP home page declares.

Finding the Higgs boson - the only subatomic particle predicted by physics' standard model that has not yet been detected -was one of the main reasons for building the $10 billion LHC was built. It's been called the "God particle," but I've said that "the goad particle" might be a more apt label, because the mere possibility that the particle may exist has goaded scientists into spending billions of dollars and expending countless hours of effort.

It'd be a sly move for Fermilab's researchers to steal the LHC's thunder. It might also be a case of somewhat wishful thinking. Chances are that Fermilab will indeed announce some significant findings at next week's meeting. How significant remains to be seen.

As for the LHC's findings, here's what Katie Yurkewicz, a U.S. spokeswoman for Europe's CERN particle physics center, told me today in an e-mail:

"I can say with all honesty that the LHC experiments themselves don't yet know exactly what will be presented at ICHEP, as they're still in the final stages of approving their results. But the results presented are likely to be so-called 'standard model' results, thus re-measurements of known quantities (such as W bosons) that show that the detectors are working properly, or providing new measurements of known quantities at higher energies (such as the paper recently published by the CMS experiment: http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.3299). We'll still have to wait some time for some new discoveries.

"You have likely seen as well the rumors that the Tevatron might announce something more exciting, however. (I have no inside information here, so as far as I'm concerned they're really just rumors, to be taken with many grains of salt!)"

While you're salivating over that scientific salt, here are some links to chew over:

Update for 2:15 a.m. ET July 13: Caltech physicist Sean Carroll points to this tweet from Fermilab Today: "Let's settle this: the rumors spread by one fame-seeking blogger are just rumors. That's it."

Update for 11:11 p.m. ET July 13: The Reference Frame's Luboš Motl adds a bit more spice to the rumors in an e-mail:

"A reader just provided me with striking new details about the Higgs rumor:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/07/detailed-rumor-gluonb-goes-to-bhiggs.html

"A gluon plus bottom-quark collided and created a bottom quark and a Higgs - many times for them to have a signal. This is an unexpected process a priori. However, it's one natural in the Minimal Supersymmetric Standard Model with a large value of tangent (beta), which is the ratio of the two vacuum expectation values.

"This would be huge. Needless to say, I am the only blogger on this planet who claimed that SUSY [supersymmetry] was likely to be found, and I also have $10,000 bets about it - although only time will tell whether my parties would respect their commitments (which are not legally written on paper)."


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Discuss this post

Very exciting, but I have my doubts about the Higgs (as well as everyone else who actually knows what that is). I'll be waiting for the results, but I won't be holding my breath. Still, very exciting. I've been following the progress of the LHC since it was built for this exact reason.

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Reply#1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:52 AM EDT

All of the studies show that the elements of life are very ordered and not random at all.  The Higgs-Bosun is no exception.    It was created.  Evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive.  Exactly the opposite.   Most mainstream scientists now believe in panspermia, that life was brought here by an extraterrestrial source.   The evidence points to it.   If God isn't real, shouldn't the evidence be taking us farther from Him  rather than closer?

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Reply#2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT

" Most mainstream scientists now believe in panspermia, that life was brought here by an extraterrestrial source."

Uh..no. You're referring to the Sitchin crowd. He's not a scientist or expert of any kind. And MOST experts of any kind don't believe that life was brought here by alien sources.

I believe that there is life on other planets. There should be on some level, even if it's microscopic. But:

I just don't understand why people find it so hard to accept that Higgs boson will most likely PROVE how we began. But then people will still need to see God (in an old-fashioned way) or aliens being the source of life (as we know it.) But then everybody has a right to their opinions and beliefs, which is the way it should be...but sad on so many levels.

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#2.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT

Evolution and religion are fundamentally different. Religion wants to accept evolution as the "how" but they are incompatible. Evolution doesn't work like religion wants it to. There is too much randomness and chance involved.

It is also omnidirectional. Think of the whale's evolutionary path. Way back, it was a fish-like creature. Then it was a land mammal. Now, back to the seas. Evolution doesn't follow a path. It always just sort of goes with the flow, so to speak.

Many people wrongly feel that we are a "higher" form of being than a fish or a worm. This is simply not the case. We are just different. There is no "higher" form of anything, because all life has had the same time to evolve.

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#2.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:46 PM EDT

P.S.

Let me "expound" on my earlier comment, which seemed a little confusing.

1) I believe that life on Earth began in the ocean.

2) I believe that in all likelihood, that there's life of some kind on other planets (but not life as we know it--meaning the there IS NO ALIEN DNA ON EARTH. (Sitchin fans; leave me alone this time around.)

3) Higgs Boson is possibly the way of finding out exactly HOW life began in the ocean. Who knows? It will be interesting to find out what happens in this realm.

4) I don't believe in God as IT is usually interpreted.

5) No. 1 means that I believe in evolution.

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#2.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
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Calm down Godisreal. The Boson, if it exists was indeed created, but only by following the laws of physics that govern the natural interaction of matter initially created from the radiation generated after the big bang. You guys are so excited to get your god involved some how... relax, leave science and the natural world to us please. And as far as panspermia goes, "most" scientists do not accept it, it is simply another theory yet to be validated. Just keep reading your bible so you can get raptured and leave us scientists alone to do our jobs. Thanks :)

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Reply#3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT

You mean hypothesis not theory. I doubt you are a scientist by such a glaring error. A theory is supported by many laws, a hypothesis is not.

    #3.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:49 AM EDT
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    Not exactly on-point concerning the Higgs particle, but IIRC there was an article some years ago where a cosmologist postulated that inertia (tendency of a body to maintain its velocity absent any force exerted on it) was a result of its mass interacting with that of the rest of the universe.  So if gravitons are limited to the speed of light, then as more and more of the universe moves over the 'event horizon' or faster than gravitons can couple its mass to ours, then the universe effectively becomes less massive, and thus inertia should decrease.  Perhaps that explains the so-called 'dark energy' that is supposed to be causing the runaway expansion of the universe..

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    Reply#4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:45 PM EDT

    Extra terrestrial does NOT mean Alien!! IF life got to earth in an "extraterrestrial" way it would undoubtedly be by seeding by asteroid or comet. that scenario is in actuality much more simple than "aliens". Microbes abound. if we could explore the moon of Jupiter i have absolutely no doubt that you'd find microbes there. Life is abundant in the universe. that is not a fact. it's my opinion. and if you work through the logic (with an open mind) I think you'd agree.

      Reply#5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:34 PM EDT

      I'm open minded enough to acknowledge your point. I was responding to a particular comment and obviously a frame of mind that had nothing to do with you.

      The way a person phrases a comment can automatically determine the way other people might respond to it, whether a person meant to imply that or not.

      But I think it's clear that you and I believe that life can exist on other planets. Who knows, maybe in both meanings of the word "extraterrestrial."

      But as far as how this planet was created, which duh (I hate that word),would depend on how the universe was "created."

      I think if you asked 50 people what the word " extraterrestrial" meant though. a lot of them would automatically think of aliens from other planets and possibly E.T. I'm sure that most people have at least heard of the movie, if they haven't actually seen it. But I personally don't believe in the E.T types of extraterrestrials.

      And if you're referring to part of my comment about Mr. Sitchin, make sure you don't take it out of context. You might need to reread my comment(s) altogether.

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      #5.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:52 PM EDT
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      Thats because particle physics, has been at a dead end for a while now, the LHC colider, is there last best hope of ever finding any more particles. If they can't find any God particles. PH is dead.

        Reply#6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:56 AM EDT

        "The mysterious Higgs boson is thought to be involved in the generation of mass in the universe".

        Mysterious? I knew her! Mrs. Higgs lived in the apartment above us when I was a kid. I watched her sometimes walking downstairs, her huge bosons bouncing with every step. Oh babe, talk about the mass of the universe! I think her address is still the same so I am puzzled why Fermilab has a problem finding her...

          Reply#7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:13 AM EDT
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          Big deal. I have several Higgs-Bosun particles at home in a cookie jar.

            Reply#8 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT
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