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This photo was provided to China Daily after a July UFO sighting in Hangzhou. Experts later concluded that the picture showed airplane lights stretched out due to a time-exposure effect.
What is it with these UFO reports from China? Even though sightings of unidentified flying objects were initially reported weeks or months ago, the stories just keep generating headlines -- for example, this week in The Sun, a notorious British tabloid. That report apparently related to a Sept. 11 sighting that led to the diversion of airline flights to Baotou in Inner Mongolia, as reported a couple of days later by People's Daily Online. (The Sun refers to the city as "Bootee.")
A purported YouTube video of the sighting has been viewed more than 200,000 times in the past three days, even though it doesn't show much more than a few flashes on a black screen. "I believe this is called darkness, not a mysterious object," one commenter wrote.
People's Daily has been passing along quite a few UFO reports in recent months, including the one about the Hong Kong UFOs that were later ascribed to reflections in camera lenses. In July, the publication said a hovering UFO caused air-traffic disruptions at Hangzhou's Xiaoshan Airport. (People's Daily later blamed the UFO buzz on aircraft that were flying within radar "blind spots" and flashing lights that were captured on streaky photos.)
The Sun and USA Today take note of the fact that UFO reports are becoming almost routine in China. But that doesn't necessarily mean the aliens have decided to go East. It's more likely that the initial UFO reports have left folks sensitized to spotting anything strange in the skies. (After all, anything can be an unidentified flying object if you don't exactly know that it's an airplane, or an unusual atmospheric disturbance, or a missile stage re-entry.)
Sorting out the cause of a particular sighting is much harder than reporting it. As China's summer of sightings illustrates, the truth may be out there, but it's not easy to track down. That's why it's important to take a picture ... take a reading ... and take a meeting before you blame the alien conspiracy.
Here are other developments on the alien front:
• Last year, a spectacular glowing spiral in the sky sparked UFO reports in Scandinavia, but Russian officials later said the phenomenon was caused by an unsuccessful missile test. Today the Russians conducted a successful test of the same type of missile, the Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile. The Bulava was launched from a nuclear sub in the White Sea, and the test warheads successfully hit a target area on the Kamchatka Peninsula in the Russian Far East. Two more tests are scheduled later this year.
• Last week, some British news reports suggested that Malaysian astrophysicist Mazlan Othman was angling to become Earth's ambassador to alien civilizations, in her capacity as the head of the U.N. Office for Outer Space Affairs. Othman quickly denied that she was after such an appointment, and expanded upon that denial this week in an Associated Press interview. "I think it's cool, but no, I am not about to be appointed the ambassador to aliens," she said.
Othman told AP that she didn't know who should be in charge in the event that extraterrestrials make contact, but thinks a protocol should be put in place. "All I have been saying is that there are many forums for such discussions, and the U.N. is, of course, one of those forums that can be used. I am not saying that the U.N. must be used," she said.
AP also quotes British UFO investigator Nick Pope as saying there was no clear legal procedure in place for handling alien contact. "My view is that it will be events-led," he said.
However, as we noted earlier this week, scientists have indeed worked out protocols for dealing with alien contact — protocols that would include a role for Othman's boss, U.N. Secretary-General Ban-Ki Moon. Now the hard part begins: getting people like Moon and Othman and Pope to read the fracking manual.
Update for 1:30 a.m. ET Oct. 9: The Tucson Citizen's Cherlyn Gardner Strong points out that she's been writing about the Chinese UFO reports for weeks. Like me, she's been puzzled by this week's recycling of the reports from Baotou and Hangzhou (plus Chongqing). "I am wondering when a tabloid [like The Sun] became a source that is more trusted than UFO/paranormal bloggers," she writes.
Update for 2:15 a.m. ET Oct. 10: Nick Pope sends along this e-mail responding to my mention of legal procedures and protocols for E.T. contact:
"You suggested that my recent statement that there was no legal process in place to discuss what might happen if we detected extraterrestrial life showed I was not aware of SETI's post-detection protocols. You further implied that by suggesting that the U.N. might have a role here, Professor Mazlan Othman, director of the U.N. Office for Outer Space Affairs, was also unaware of the protocols. Not so.
"There are two points here. Firstly, the post-detection protocols document is an agreement between scientists and non-governmental organizations. It's not legally binding and it's not an agreement between states. Secondly, SETI's radio astronomy is not the only means by which extraterrestrial life might be discovered. Another possible scenario is a Mars mission that discovers microbial life. These issues were discussed on October 4 and 5 at the Royal Society's meeting on the detection of extraterrestrial life, which I attended.
"The U.N. Office for Outer Space Affairs and the U.N. Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space may be the appropriate places to formulate policy that could then be put to the General Assembly. In view of the important issues that would arise from detection, it seems sensible to have a legal agreement in place, rather than informal guidance."
The scientists behind the post-detection protocols would love to have their work carried on into the diplomatic realm. The head of the group that worked out the protocols, Paul Davies, told me he and his colleagues have been trying to get politicians and diplomats interested in what they've been doing for years. The way he tells it, there hasn't been much success on that front so far. For example, he said he has never heard from Othman ... in fact, he never heard of Othman until last month's brouhaha erupted.
I'm totally on the outside here, but it seems to me that the principles behind the SETI protocols — including honesty about the state of scientific findings, openness with news media, peer review and publication of anomalous results, and notification of the United Nations in the event of confirmed contact — would apply equally well to the confirmed discovery of traces of life on Mars, ancient or extant. It also seems to me that the various groups interested in this issue should be in closer contact themselves.
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it is as unscientific to overrule genuine evidences of UFOs as it is to conclude that earth is the only planet out of the infinite number of solar systems present in cosmos that has life. definitely there will be cases of UFO sightings because of intentional or unintentional human error but to generalize that all UFO sightings are as a result of illusion is very preposterous. we should not forget the 3 pillars of science- observation, experimentation and invention/discovery. with UFOs we are not even at first level because of people like you (author of this article) who take UFOs as a joke. this scientific reality needs more rather proper human attention. we need to come out of our state of denial about aliens.
Basharat Shah, don't forget that skepticism is also an important part of the scientific process -- and for very good reason.
Scientific skepticism is not sticking one's fingers in one's ears and saying "I don't believe it I don't believe it I don't believe it!" Scientific skepticism is really the humble realization that we humans make a LOT of mistakes. Most of us know that, of course, but we tend to selectively apply it to other people while forgetting that, yes, we can be biased and ignorant just like anyone else. Scientific skepticism, properly understood, is the humble acknowledgement of human fallibility. It's the realization that, in science, it is easy to be wrong and VERY hard to be right.
That being the case, it just makes sense to question claims (our own and everyone else's) and -- perhaps most important of all -- to ask for compelling evidence to support those claims. It also makes sense to, whenever possible, explain an observation using phenomena that are already known to exist.
We know that, under certain conditions, perfectly sane people can hallucinate. We know that human memory is disturbingly prone to distortion and that these memory distortions tend to mould our accounts of past events to fit our pre-existing views of the world and/or the "story" we use to make sense of the event. We also know that human sensory perception are amazingly fallible. Sometimes, we just don't see what we think we see. We humans also have a hard-wired distaste for saying "I don't know" and will tend to fill such gaps in our knowledge with stories that may or may not fit with reality. Given all of this, it just makes sense to ask those that believe in alien visitation to produce extraordinary evidence to support their extraordinary claims. As a scientist, I am willing to consider the possibility of aliens visiting earth, but I am not willing to accept such a claim until I have seen VERY compelling evidence that rules out the "mundane" explanations.
I would ask believers in alien visitation to keep an open mind which, to me, means having a willingness to consider all possibilities, including the possibilty that all UFO sightings might have mundane explanations. In short, I will consider the possibility that I might be wrong if you will consider the possibility that you might be wrong.
Well said MG. Completely agree with you, unless there is some extremely solid proof I won't believe it. But I do hope for it to happen :-)
since our universe is FINITE beyond doubt, there can be no such a thing as an "infinite number of solar systems", thank you - now you can stop daydreaming.
F.Y.I UFO = top secret/next generation military aircraft and propulsion systems.
Billions of people on the earth, Millions of sightings since the 40's and NOT ONE HUMAN BEING HAS EVER PRODUCED A CLEAR AND DISPUTABLE PHOTOGRAPH !!! Every picture in existence of UFO's (as well as the lockness monster and bigfoot) are ALWAYS dark and or grainy photographs taken in poor lighting conditions with dirty lenses and by the worlds worst photographers.
sorry people, we ARE the only ones in the universe, little green men do not exist.
My personal experience; about 10 years ago I (clearly) witnessed a large black flying object flying east (Cascade Mountains) to the west (toward Puget Sound) at a speed I've never seen before. So why didn't this object produce a gigantic Sonic Boom - it was far to low and going far to fast not produce some kind of sound.
This craft was much more stable than any jet I've ever seen - I currently live in Tucson, AZ. and we have military jets flying overhead every day - I can observe these military jets for several seconds and they move allover the place (not steady flight at all) and they are noisy as heck. The craft I saw in Everett, WA. was only visable for about 3 seconds tops - headed over the Naval base.
I could care less where it came from - if it was made on this planet, then we are far more advanced than what we are being told. Even our biggest rockets can't match the speed I saw this thing traveling at - not to mention the noise from earth rockets and the shaking of our space craft - it made our space traveling craft look like a Model T turd bucket compared to this thing.
Go ahead and doubt - just because you personally haven't experienced anything like this, isn't reason to think you know any more than those who have personally seen unexplained air craft - jealous...lol.
I agree with the infinite number of solar systems 100%. However, I don't think Boyle was implying that UFO's are a joke. We already know that most UFO sightings are explainable. Planes, helicopters, balloons, lightning, etc. are almost always the cause for reports of UFO's. Of course, some have not been explained. I think the issue with UFO's, in general, is that people want to believe they are actually seeing one. I know I would like to see one. So you get a lot of unidentified flying objects reports, especially after one was sighted by many people...it essentially goes viral.
Another thing, which happens to drive me nuts, is that people still see crop circles as marks made by landing alien spacecraft even though it's been proven over and over again that people are doing it. I mean, if an alien civilization has the ability to travel at above light speed, which you would need to get from one solar system to another in a reasonable amount of time, then why make crop circles. Additionally, why would you fly your craft into the atmosphere and turn on the lights for all to see?
Accordingly, when I see lights in the sky, I'm pretty sure that they are natural or man-made occurrences. In fact, if an alien ship were to visit Earth, I would think that the chances are good that no one will ever see it, unless they actually wanted us to see them. Humans have already developed an advanced cloaking system and we can't even travel to Mars yet.
In any case, I have no doubt they are out there. I just don't think it is highly probable that a civilization will develop the means to travel to another solar system. I'm not saying it is impossible, but highly improbable. The only way I can see it happening is if a civilization creates a massive ship, like the "Death Star" from the movie, Star Wars, and generations of "people" continually maintain the ship for the thousands of years, if not millions of years it will take to get to another solar system. And the chances are it will take millions because light speed travel is likely impossible.
My opinion is that our contact with an alien civilization will either be passive (detection of radio waves) or we may actually establish communications, but only after we hit on a technology that another civilization is using and for any reasonable amount of communication, that technology will have to be significantly faster than the speed of light. Imagine saying, "Hello, we are here", and it takes 20 years for it to get there. They respond and it takes 20 years for us to receive it. I've researched neutrino based communications and it may turn out to be the technology that we will use to detect an alien civilization. I say this because neutrinos have the ability to pass through solid matter and therefore, can travel through space virtually unaffected by all the matter strewn throughout space. The only issue with it is that it travels at about the same speed as light, so no advantage there. But if we detect neutrinos coming from an Earth-like planet, chances are good they are being used as communications on that planet. The other issue I considered with this technology, and I am not sure how it would work as it is not invented yet, is that because neutrinos travel through solid matter, if a communications system where created, it would include the need to stop the neutrinos at the receiving end. If that turns out to be the case, it may be impossible to detect these coming form an alien world, unless they are purposefully sending signals directly to Earth. Our present systems are very inefficient and most of the signal is lost into space, but a neutrino based system may be 100% efficient or close to it, meaning a signal is sent directly to a satellite or ship for example, and when it is received, that signal terminates with little to no signal loss in space. If it all works out though, the advantage would be a very clear signal on the receiving end, even at great distances.
vilmos levay...What makes you think it is finite? I can't prove you wrong, but there is more evidence pointing at infinite and nothing pointing at it being finite. What do you think...you keep going and then you hit a wall or something? I believe the problem is that many people cannot understand or comprehend "infinite". They need a beginning and an end or else the universe is just to big for them. It is OK, it is just a defense mechanism that makes it easier for people to deal with their every day lives. If our area of space, which many call the universe, is the only thing out there, then what is beyond that...nothing? In my book, nothing is something. So we travel beyond our "universe" and we see no stars or galaxies. Then eventually, we may see more galaxies and stars...bubbles of activity throughout the infinite universe. It's not even realistic to think this area of space we call our universe is all there is. In fact, I'll go as far as saying the universe isn't even a big place. Why? Because you can't put a size value on something that is infinite.
LOL Blog - it was only a few short years ago that the Catholic church would have been hunting you down and beheading you if you claimed the earth was round and not the center of the universe - not hard to see that some of that thinking still exists today.
@ vilmos levay
Universe finite beyond doubt? HA!
Do you just target something you don't believe in and conclude it with your own nonsense?
The sensible thing to say here is "we are not sure whether the universe is infinite or finite", thank you. Now you can stop and actually think before you write a response.
drainbramage...a little over 20 years ago, a friend of mine, who was a truck driver, was traveling on a highway through the Everglades in Florida. As he was driving a large black aircraft flew directly in front of him. He said it was traveling at a high rate of speed, but it wasn't loud like a jet would be at that distance and no sound boom. He said he almost wrecked because it came out of no where and was about 50 yards in front of him and at about 100 feet off the ground. Later, he figured out that he saw the B-2 Bomber.
If it is black, it is probably a new aircraft being tested. The trademark, flat black paint, is designed to absorb radar signals to keep the aircraft from being detected. If it is something you had never seen before, chances are it was an FB-22 or one of the other stealth aircraft they were working on at that time. Around 2000, Lockheed was working on the FB-22, which was a variant of the in-service F-22. The FB-22 didn't have any tail, the F-22 has two tails, and was lengthened to be a fast bomber. It used vectored thrust to steer instead of tails or in the case of the F-22, both tails and vectored thrust.
Let me quote Ben Rich who headed up Lockheed Skunk Works. Before his death he said "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity" he also went on to say "anything you can imagine we already know how to do." From the book "Exempt From Disclosure"/Collins. Ben Rich died in 1995, 15 years ago.
Lockheed Skunk Works is heavily involved at Area 51. Many things we see as UFO's are quite possibly our own military operating secret aircraft. There is plenty of information out there concerning UFO phenomena, but what is real or fake nobody will know unless our goverment discloses the facts.
President Eisenhower quotes from his farewell address in 1961, "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
thank you that is correct we are in a state of denial ...all the pictures all the storys meean nothing to the goverment ... the goverment is nothing more than a drug dealer ..selling drugs just to get an arrest ... the interest on UFOs goies back before man had paper to write on ...
Good post, Infomaster. Cameras, be it photo or video can produce anomalies because of the shape of the lenses and light reflections.
They are not aliens. They are our progenitors.
MGinRochester
There's a such thing as useful skepticism. If it points questions back at the scientific community as opposed to just trying to speak louder than the scientific community. You really want to give the author credit for some contribution to advancing scientific position on alien life? Articles like these keep people in a walking sleep in many subjects. It says, "don't even think about taking this seriously. We'll all laugh at you. Let ME tell you what's important and true."
Wow...I keep being dissapointed in these pathetic MSN columns.....
You're latest headlines in "ufo news" are sad...
HOWABOUT THIS
the same day that the BOGUS report about Mazlan Othman being the "ambassador to aliens" came out
over 100 military officials met for a press conference in washington d.c to disclosure ufo encounters mainly above nuclear facilities in the united states...
there have been many sources debunking the Chinese sightings....
why are you focusing on them?
focus on something relavent, something present, something real...
or.... stop writing columns! :D
Cool story bro. Got any facts to back that up with?
@ J--2026691
Did you mean to write "disappointed," "your," "HOW ABOUT," "disclose," and "relevant"???
Not just a typo or two, sloppy mistakes, to add to the sloppy thinking perhaps. Try it again, lad. If you work on this, you can DO IT!
Yes, if you go to the earlier report linked from my reference to Othman, you'll find that I led with the UFO "nuclear facility" news conference. There were several military officials, not 100. Nevertheless, I displayed a video from the news conference and linked to the entire video clip.
In case you missed it, here is the link again:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/27/5189195-aliens-have-landed-in-the-headlines
Does this mean I can continue writing my pathetic MSN columns?
Alan, in no way has this column ever been pathetic. I cannot remember exactly when I started reading Cosmic Log, but it was a long time ago. None of your articles have ever been pathetic either.
See my news column this evening for an upcoming article on this very same subject!
Allan
You keep writing. I love the variety of subjects that you cover. Anyone that does not like your work should stop winning and go back to the comics.
I think the Aliens got your response Chuck.
Right, yes ...SPACE ...the Final Frontier of free expression! ...When it's just an illusion of freedom, anyway.
Yes, ...and the King of England, too, is required to submit to the insecure bullies who want control and power over other beings everywhere, and based upon whose narrow insistence are the ones who say what goes ...and what is never allowed to be seen, to take place, or to be revealed ...the-sword-in-the-sand.org.uk ...better to remain Charles III in your own mind than be a pawn on their Monopoly Board.
The issue of the great distances between possible sentient neighbors denying them visitation is only due to our lack of scientific understanding, of things yet to be discovered.
Physicists now entertain theories that we live in a universe of eleven dimensions, a mind-boggling prospect but may one day explain how a technologically advanced race of beings could travel quickly over what we currently perceive as impossibly great distances.
Our kind has been gaining technical knowledge at a rapid pace but we have been doing so for only a relatively short time. We have a long way to go before we deserve that kind of technology. We are socially primitive and not intellectually capable of managing ourselves and our home planet. Hopefully we will not discover such advanced technology before we are able to use it wisely.
The reason there seem to be so many UFO incidents in China maybe because aliens believe that the Chinese will not bow down to the US government and cover up facts about UFOs. The US military/intelligence community has been keeping the truth about aliens/UFOs a secret for many years now. The aliens are probably hoping that the Chinese will break this world-wide secrecy pact (see www.ufocoverup.org for more info)
right... OR, maybe the Chinese are beginning to experiment with new types of aircraft?
if that's the case, why do the Aliens need the Chinese to introduce them to the world? if the Aliens want the truth about them to be known, wouldn't it be easier to just say "Hi"
The aliens, if presented by the Chinese, wouldn't say "Hi!". It would be more like "Ni hao ma!"
maybe ufos arent actually aliens... but hey we can make up all the stuff we want on here because we are just commenting on an article lol.
Come on guys, use your brain. Its completely logical to think that aliens exist. Its extremely illogical to think that theres a alien conspiracy coverup when theres no proof whatsoever.
not everything exists according to your "logic" ed
He makes a good point though. To be clear, I definitely do believe in aliens (come on, you guys REALLY think we are the only intelligent life in this galaxy?) but I don't think they have been visiting us with any sort of regularity. A few things in history bring up some interesting questions, but who knows.
Anyway, Ed's point makes sense though. If there IS some sort of group that is making sure our visiting friends stay secret, then OF COURSE it would be very difficult to find any type of real proof. They allow these crappy amateur photos and videos to be released because they know it will just help to debunk the rumors.
Not saying I believe that, but it could happen.
Maybe everyone who has a UFO tale is just trolling for attention? I'm pretty sure everyone who has posted a UFO video on youtube is. For example, if you want to see a real UFO, check this out: http://bit.ly/92TR22
See what I did there?
"airplane lights stretched out due to a time-exposure effect."
Could be, I suppose but I'd like to see that effect duplicated. Rational explanations for UFOs aren't always all that rational . . .
http://ufopartisan.blogspot.com/
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&expIds=17259,18167,25567,25982,26613,26792,27006,27015&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=long+exposure+plane&cp=18&wrapid=tljp1286550502160130&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1276&bih=823
Frank, In addition with this photo above,, I don't see any wings,, the Chinese must have planes now without wings..
Also if the bottom lights are "time elapsed" why aren't the portal lights, or the pairs of fixed lights just above blurred as well? but their not, those pairs of lights or windows? are specific points of light. And why are those lights exactly equal-distant from each other, in two pairs? last time I saw a jet at night the window pull down blinds are irregularly pulled down, or not pulled down at all as the passengers do not need to block out the sunlight because its dark out, so they leave them open, -humm makes ya think on those kind of obsevations,, -so this photo may actually be something other than a plane,,, thx,
For the love of God, pick a spot, land and communicate! If it is an actually extra-terrestrial ship from far away, they would necessarily be more intelligent and technologically advance to travel billions miles, survive space, and hover above and observe our existence. Otherwise they are just creating unnecessary panic amongst the stoooopids.
I bet this is their version of cow tipping.
We are the cows.
I do believe that there must be many planets in our vast universe that have life. Some may be about where we are technologically speaking, while others are either more primitive or much farther advanced.
About a hundred years ago we had not mastered simple flight, and many people thought it was impossible, but look at the advances we have made since. As our knowledge and understanding of science and particularly physics continues to grow exponentially, methods of not just travelling faster, but traveling differently may be revealed.
Much of what I've read about UFOs seems to be nonsense. The remainder is what's got me thinking.
Good points. I have to agree that our recent advances in technology are mind boggling. Even comparing the present to 1990's so much has changed. Our grandparents have seen all these amazing things, its crazy to think what my grandchildren will think of what my lifetime was like....
Yes and a few thousand years ago we, either by intelligent design or intelligent intervention (alien), took giant leaps in brain power and development. We have mastered many complicated things in such a short period of time... its rather astounding.
To think we are alone is rather pathetic. We may be just one colony of intelligent life that was place here, evolved her or created here. If we can advance in technology like we have why is it so hard to think it possible for visitors from different world looking in on us? After all we have visited the moon, mars and other bodies so it is possible for others to visit us.
so your saying that UFOs/Aliens "want" to be discovered and the US government isn't allowing it?:)
Then why dont they just land here and announce themselves? You would think if they could build ships to travel all this way they wouldn't need to turn to the Chinese ,,,, they could just take over the air waves right here right now. I can't wait to hear your explanation .......
sorry....my previous post was for injun trouble, I clicked reply but got redirected down here. AND I should have used a you're instead of your ( haven't had coffee yet give me a break!:)
On another subject. I understand that "experts" deem the picture to be an airplane with a lag in exposure but if that is true why are the circle lights in the red streak perfectly round and not distorted....that doesn't make sense to me????????
Kallie - it's possible those lights blinked while the picture was being taken. I'm no photo expert, that's just my educated guess as to what would cause that. Also, photo shop can do wonders :-)
Those are probably blinking lights. A light that stays on becomes a streak during long exposure. A light that blinks becomes a dot in a long exposure photo.
Kallie, smart thinking...I hadn't put that together
Dont be deceived, something big is ready to happen , perhaps this is going to be their explanation for the rapture of the church, dont buy any of this NEW AGE GARBAGE.
lol diego, ok lol
Diego, are you waiting around for October 13th?
http://www.unexplainable.net/UFO-Alien/Ex-Norad-Official-Alien-Contact-October-13th.shtml
Email me on October 14th, and tell me how things went down for you on the 13th.....
Yesterday & last night went quite well ... especially for NY! I watched the webcam of Manhattan provided by earthcam.com last night from 10:15 - 11:30pm. Too bad you couldn't watch it LIVE like I did, but a link to a recorded screenshot follows. Balloons wouldn't move like that, nor would they be so lit up at night. Want proof?
Look these up on youtube:
NYC UFO's via webcam 2010/10/13 10:00 PM
UFO in Chelsea- New York??? October 13, 2010
and google this:
MUFON Case Management System - LAST 20 SIGHTING REPORTS
Watch this video... and then decide Do you want to beleive?
http://growthisnotsustainable.blogspot.com/2010/09/do-you-want-to-believe.html
I believe it's been reported on MSNBC and by other news agencies that times of high stress or international uncertainty seem to coincide with a marked increase in the number of UFO sightings.
China has certainly had her share of issues in the last couple of years with mudslides and earthquakes wiping out whole villages and with scandals involving their food supplies. These sightings could just be the outcome of increased internal stress and uncertainty.
There may also be a correlation between the proliferation of electronic devices like cameras,etc and newly available internet access for the emerging middle class in China that may be part of the explanation.
Personally, I do believe there is life, intelligent life, out there in the universe. But I'm not sure they'd still be playing "hide and seek" with us after all these decades of "sightings."
And I still have respect for Stephen Hawking's warning that a space-faring race may not have honorable intentions regarding the earth and it's resources or could have an unintended negative impact on the life here on Earth. So, be careful what you wish for.
That said, I would love to live long enough to see first contact with an alien race, I just hope we survive the encounter.
I also belive that there is inteligent life out there. I also believe that they are waiting to see if there is any here. Any life form that set down here as we are now would be setting a gun to their own head. We need to develope into a mature species before we meet the neighbors. No the bratty violent children that we are now.
We can only hope that a UFO abducts the entire US Congress some night while most of us are getting a good nights sleep. We can awake to coffee and the shocking news that they are gone. I will call in for a day off and golf. Unfortunately, if aliens talk to them much I'm sure they will return them back to us or leave
them on a distant planet. It doesn't make any difference if the planet supports life or not.
david is obsessed with politics - no intelligent thinking there....lol.
Isn't THAT the damn truth! I wholeheartedly agree with you. It amazes me how authors of such articles are hell-bent on discrediting everything regarding sightings from often very CREDIBLE witnesses just because he/she CHOOSES not to believe! We live in a world where people still think as those who thought for centuries that the Earth was flat. Some people will just never allow their minds to accept anything beyond their ability to comprehend. Great posting.
Does anyone remember the early-1970's fascination with the premise of alien visitations having occurred in ancient times? The subject's popularity started, I believe, with the publication of Eric von Daniken's book, "The Chariots of the Gods", and was followed by a number of similar books by other authors, some of whom were/are respected astronomers and astrophysicists. While much of the evidence presented in these books struck me as weak at best, a few of the cases had some credence and intrigue me to this day.
However, and irregardless of one's belief in past visitations, I agree with those who question UFO sightings as being of alien-civilization origins. The issue begs the question of why an alien intelligence sufficiently advanced to navigate interstellar distances, and having an interest in our planet, would not openly make themselves known, either by direct visitation, or, more likely, by some form of communication from a safe vantage in our local near-outer-space area.
The nature of essentially all UFO sightings defies, in my opinion, the concurrent presumption of advanced intelligence, not so much as to the physical appearance or unusual flight/movement capabilities of many alleged UFO's, but moreso the questionable logic of their motivation, as it were, of flitting about in a semi-clandestine manner.
I read Erich Von Daniken's books and our Art class in high school even went on an excursion to see "Chariots of the Gods" at the cinema for its art history value, and I have a lot of sympathy for Erich Von Daniken's open-minded research. I can't stand the fettering of thought through the categorization and boxing of thought and its control through academia, and then through funding, thus putting human knowledge in the hands of plutocracy, governments, and tiny-minded nerdish people who have studied one or two disciplines and who engage in a conspiracy of one-inch minds to deny the validity of creative human thought and wide-ranging ideas. It's the difference between matriarchy - analogical thought, the matrix, vs linear boxed in top-down control. Matriarchy has both analogical and logical thought patterns but puts the matrix, the big picture, creative thought and intuition first, while patriarchy denies freedom of thought. There are so many nerdy power-tripping authority-driven denouncers of UFOs having reality because they can't think for themselves, but they are hierarchically-minded and like chickens, they know their place in the pecking order, and they can't resist pecking.
You will notice how a lot of people say things like:"There is not one reputable or reliable photograph of a UFO - there is no evidence - if there was I would have to change my mind, but you haven't got any evidencedespite UFO sightings going back to the 1940's and that means that UFOs don't or probably don't exist."
These people believe any authority figure who tells them any lie that comes into their minds. They patriarchal thought processes mean that they are automatically hypnotized by the "Voice of Authority". If anyone pointed out to them that there is a systematic cover-up by "The Voice of Authority" they would call them "conspiracy-theorists" or paranoid and suggest they "take their medication" or something else authoritarian like that.
But there isa conspiracy. NASA's own videotape consistently shows three distinctly different kinds of UFO's. The UFO's we think of as flying saucers, seen in the Earth's atmosphere around cumulo-nimbus hammerheads, possibly drawing energy; faerie UFO's, which have consistently appeared to astronauts and cosmonauts since the early sixties, and which appear when NASA astronauts (or cosmonauts) are doing something interesting...This is particularly embarassing to NASA because those are the occasions that attract most attention from themselves and other non-faeries, and there they are, lots of them, with NASA commentary explaining them away about thirty seconds after they appear, using formulaic lame explanations like "space debris" or "meteors" or whatever, any one of three or four standard obviously required lies - it takes about thirty seconds to agree on which lame lie they will employ - maybe its a random selection, or maybe it is sequentially determined - don't ask me, but you can tell that NASA is only doing what they are told to do, and NASA's policy hasn't altered perceptibly in decades. The third kind of UFO is even smaller -they appear in only half of each thirtieth of a second second frame. Each frame is interlaced, so there are two de-interlaced images in each frame that can be separated, with thirty frames per second. So these UFO's, which are very small, travel very fast, but again, they are responsive to what NASA is doing. And NASA cannot or does not want to explain what they are. These are all living beings, or evidence of living beings, in space very close to the earth, and in the atmosphere, interacting with the earth's weather.
So there it is nerds! Voila! A cover-up by authority figures, right before your eyes. And if you haven't "been told" about it then maybe, may-beee, that's because not informing you is a part of the cover-up?!! You believe in authority figures you get suckered every time by them - but then, having been suckered, you then stand up on your chair and put your paper hat on and tell the rest of us, with the certainty of your authority, that you have been reliably informed that talk about UFO cover-ups is all just conspiracy theories and paranoia spread by ignorant people who don't know what they are talking about.
So you won't believe this either - it will sound like more conspiracy theory garbage to those who have it on authority that it can't possibly be true - while I do not discount some UFO's being of extraterrestial origin, not at all, I think there is good reason for believing that the proliferation of UFO's seen since the 1940's are Nazi German advanced technology. And before you laugh, consider that Nazi Germany was the most scientifically advanced nation on earth, and that neither America nor Russia would have got to the moon without the peaceful assistance to their wartime enemies of Nazi scientists, scientists loyal to the Third Reich, who, under Operation Paperclip provided the United States with the peaceful non-military means to repeatedly land on the moon from July 1969 - aa scientific achievement which no country on Earth has even come close to replicating since. The meaning of Operation Paperclip, a name chosen for the benefit of loyal National Socialist scientists captured after the fall of Germany in 1945, was to temporarily - like a paper-clipped covering card - cover up the fact that they were really loyal Nazis, which would not have gone down well with public opinion at the time.
National Geographic produced a documentary recently on the German Luftwaffe's jet-powered 1,000m.p.h. stealth fighter, which had been captured and brought back to the United States, and its successor, planned for 1946, a larger version, an inter-continental jet-powered stealth bomber capable of delivering a nuclear bomb to New York. Consider when the U.S. finally developed the same planes, under Reagan, and only then with the use of stolen Nazi technology, just as the whole wold benefited from Nazi technology - the Mirage, the MiG, the Concorde ...etc.
So now we get to UFO's. You have only been seeing them since the 1940's, and you find out how they were built on You tube videos if you look. Otherwise what is the answer? What is the logical answer - a sudden technological leap forward by the United States or Russia, that can no longer get to the moon, that have lost even the echnology that was given to them or stolen by them, that lack the creative minds and creative matriarchal pagan ways of thinking that existed in Nazi Germany to reproduce it themselves? Did the allied powers have such technology in the 1940's during the Second World War? Not likely!
How did the technology survive Germany's apparent defeat? It went underground! The Germans moved it to a safe location, in Antarctica. That information is also available on You Tube. Not on Antarctica, but through a portal that the Nazis discovered - Don't laugh! Where do you think their ideas came from? Pagan, spiritualist, occult ways of thinking - matriarchal ways of thinking. Despite the patriarchal Catholic and Lutheran churches (whose agenda it was to kill all the Jews - not a historical German tribal pagan agenda) matriarchal, creative, intuitive ways of thinking were fostered by the Nazi elite, along with sacred knowledge, occult knowledge, not faith, not lies about reality, but the truth. Why is there a cover up? Because the allied powers have, for all intents and purposes, lost the War. Nazi Germany had to take its technology and its struggle underground to a safe location, a defensible secret location. The United States does not have the military means to prevent vast numbers of flying saucers from violating its air space so it covers up the existence of UFO's We live under a global tyranny. We are not allowed to know the truth - at least on a cultural level, not publicly. But the United States military, knowing the situation, must be, in my opinion, both resigned to the truth and demoralized in one sense, but, I think, burdened with living under a dictatorship of lies, they themselves would sympathise with the idea of being liberated from this tyranny, of being freed from the tyranny of global patriarchy.
Look at even the shapes of the main weapons and crafts of both sides - the phallic-looking missiles and the matriarchal-looking flying saucers. I know that Germany developed missiles - there were always projectiles - but I think it says something about the psychology of the opposing forces: On one side is patriarchy, faith, and lies, and on the other is matriarchy, a return to being human, to our individuality, to who we each are uniquely in reality, in our essence, for all time, immortal, and a return to true freedom ...to the fundamental truth that was known in prehistory, that the female principle comes before the male principle - only then can we, as human beings, have both poetry, imagination, intuition, analogical thinking and linear, logical thought, and judgement!
Re Elizabeth Jane's explanation, I've heard the Nazis called a lot of things, but 'matriarchal' is a new one..thanks for the best laugh of the week (so far)...
is this like the lesbian version of what ufo's are all about?
Isn't THAT the damn truth! I wholeheartedly agree with you. It amazes me how authors of such articles are hell-bent on discrediting everything regarding sightings from often very CREDIBLE witnesses just because he/she CHOOSES not to believe! We live in a world where people still think as those who thought for centuries that the Earth was flat. Some people will just never allow their minds to accept anything beyond their ability to comprehend. Great posting.
Isn't THAT the damn truth! I wholeheartedly agree with you. It amazes me how authors of such articles are hell-bent on discrediting everything regarding sightings from often very CREDIBLE witnesses just because he/she CHOOSES not to believe! We live in a world where people still think as those who thought for centuries that the Earth was flat. Some people will just never allow their minds to accept anything beyond their ability to comprehend. Great posting.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. It amazes me how authors of such articles are hell-bent on discrediting everything regarding sightings from often very CREDIBLE witnesses just because he/she CHOOSES not to believe! We live in a world where people still think as those who thought for centuries that the Earth was flat. Some people will just never allow their minds to accept anything beyond their ability to comprehend. Great posting.
The hype on UFO's has been escalating in recent months despite previous ridicule and suppression of the very subject; be prepared for staged military psy-ops involving UFOs to grab global attention in support of NWO agenda in the near future.
sorry for the multiple postings as there was a tech glitch with my login on this sight or my postings were being deleted.
Maybe the Taliban are aliens. I have to chuckle at that thought. In the opening picture you can clearly see that that was an airplane or jet. I think that people who see and take pictures of objects are half asleep or they are hallcinating. I think that we would certainly know by now if we have alien attacks. We have quadrillion satellites around the world and there is the International Space Station.
All newspapers want is a story to take up space. It is like a man that caught a fish the size of his foot, but to him it was a whale. That is a whale of a story.
Alien attacks? Ben you watch to many movies.
I have seem some mighty strange things flying around in my time. Were they UFOs? As far as I am concerned they were. After all they were flying and I couldn't identify them. Were they alien spacecraft? Who knows? I don't that's for sure. I am reminded that there have been many cases of what appears to be unexplainable UFOs turned out to be of earth origin. How many UFO reports turned out to be the SR-71? It turns out it did pretty strange things just after take off before it was ready to climb to cruising altitude and dash off on it's mission. I'm sure there are other things similar.
Does all this mean there absolutely are no alien visitors? Nope. The debate will not be closed until an alien lands in Times Square and aliens hold a press conference. Even then there are going to be a lot of people who believe it's was all a hoax.
As for me, I would be disappointed if it turns out we are all alone in the universe. Like Carl Sagan said, it would be an awful waste of space. Will we ever travel through space to meet the others? I don't see how, but then again I don't claim to know all there is to know about physics. It's probably going to take a law of physics we haven't even thought of yet.