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The solar system's Oort Cloud extends out trillions of miles from the sun.
There's a fresh upswing of buzz about the potential for the existence of a large planet on the edge of our solar system, more than 10,000 times farther away from the sun than our planet. Do astronomers already have the evidence for a Planet X, and does this mean all those predictions of a planetary cataclysm in 2012 could actually come true? Not really, and here's why.
First, about that buzz: Astronomers have been wondering for years whether a Planet X, or perhaps an as-yet-undetected brown dwarf, could account for what seems to be an unusual pattern in the influx of comets from the outer solar system.
Such an object would have to be out around the Oort Cloud, the vast swarm of comets that lies far beyond the planets we all know and love. I wrote about this myself ... in 1999 ... and the same astronomers who were involved in the debate back then are keeping it alive today. The latest research paper on the subject, published in the journal Icarus, comes from John Matese and Daniel Whitmire at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.
Matese and Whitmire say the cometary pattern could be explained by the existence of an object somewhere around one to four times the mass of Jupiter. They also say such an object could explain the weird, wildly looping orbit of the icy world known as Sedna. There's no evidence for such an object yet, but they say it should be "easily detected" by NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE.
This is pretty much what Matese told me a couple of years ago when I was researching my book, "The Case for Pluto." If such a Planet X exists, WISE should have spotted it. The WISE science team is due to provide the first part of its all-sky survey data in April, and the current buzz has been stirred up by the combination of the Icarus paper's publication and the upcoming data release. The final data release isn't expected to come until about this time next year ... in 2012, that is.
Of course, Matese and Whitmire would be thrilled if the data support their claims for the existence of his Planet X, which has been nicknamed Tyche. "John and I will be doing cartwheels," Britain's Independent newspaper quotes Whitmire as saying. "And that's not easy at our age."
But it's premature to say whether WISE's data set contains such evidence. What Matese told me a couple of years ago still holds true today: If WISE doesn't see any signs of a Jupiter-scale object out there, "then the whole discussion should be concluded." That would give a boost to the alternate explanations for the patterns in cometary paths, such as gravitational perturbations that our solar system experiences as it bobs up and down in the galactic tide.
Even if WISE's readings point to a Planet X, it isn't coming to get us anytime soon. Orbital dynamics dictate that the object would have to hang around the far-flung frontiers of the solar system for many more eons. So the bottom line is the same as it ever was here at 2012 Watch: DON'T PANIC!
More on 2012:
- The end is not near
- Stressed by storms and supernovas?
- Alien invaders vs. the truth squad
- Solar cycle sparks doomsday buzz
- French village flooded by doomsday survivalists
- 'End of the world' delayed ... by Mayan calendar
For more about the Oort Cloud and other curiosities in our celestial neighborhood, check out our interactive on "the new solar system."
If you're looking for an additional antidote to 2012 hysteria, check out 2012hoax.org. Join the Cosmic Log community by hitting the "like" button on the blog's Facebook page or following b0yle on Twitter. You'll even find references to Planet X and 2012 hype in a chapter of my book, "The Case for Pluto."
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It's all conjecture and the actual proof that this cloud exists is a long way off.
The Ort Cloud does exist, it's Planet X that is in question.
Prove it !
Proof does not exist in science, only probabilities and interpretations. Occasionally there might even be a consensus, but never proof. The word "proof" exists in mathematics, law, and baking, not science.
That being the case, you might well say that every scientific statement is conjecture, but you'd be mistaken. Conjecture is predictive guesswork, or hypothesis formation. This article describes experimental evidence and its interpretation (which can vary among individuals). Conjecture comes before the experiment, interpretation comes afterward, and proof never comes to a scientist.
Science has its strengths, lots of them, but proving things isn't one of them. Hypotheses and theories are only as good as the evidence that supports them, and they must be rejected if contradicting evidence is discovered. Under those circumstances, nothing can be held as proven in science.
Go on..through observation you prove. I can prove the sun shines !
Mike... i dont think its a cloud... its a planet bigger than earth. I dont believe in it but i cant understand why any one would... There must be something more to it than ive heard...
I don't believe it either. The article says that the comets from the Ort Cloud have been showing iiregular patters. When did that happen? First I hear of it. Maybe I missed previous reports.
(Irregular Patterns)
I first wrote about this 12 years ago, Tony. The finding is the result of pretty high-powered modeling of celestial mechanics, so it's a very subtle pattern.
Thank you for responding Alan. I will do my research on this matter. Any tugging on comets from the other side of the Oort cloud throws my understanding of our solar system out the window.
Is it from the "other side" of the Oort cloud? I don't know Tony. But I would not be surprised if (in the event that they discover a planet out there) it were part of the Oort cloud. That would be irregular indeed as it throws more salt into the "pluto wound". Namely, I mean, if there is a brown dwarf out in the Oort cloud it has not already "cleared out it's orbit" of debris (perhaps that is the irregular pattern we see in Oort cloud material behavior?).
If the Oort cloud is perturbed by the interstellar "wind" that would definitely bring a new aspect to my understanding of the dynamics of our solar system. I'd need to learn much more about these "irregular patterns" to understand why some gravity wave of interstellar wind would affect the Oort cloud material in such a way. From the sounds of things it knocks one or a few rocks out of the oort cloud and sends them toward the Sun. Is that the jist of it? If that's the case I would wonder why such a small amount of material in the Oort cloud is disturbed. Or is it such a small amount because the Oort cloud objects are so far apart?
Yes, the author for got to say that the Oort "cloud" is only theoretical. Those who subscribe to billions of years have problems explaining the existence of comets, which should have all burned up billions of years ago, according to their own theories about why comets exists. Whenever modern day secular scientist find a big hole in their theories they just concoct new theories lacking any actual proof to fool you into believing them, i.e. instant evolution, dark matter, planet killing asteroids and such.
I was going to click Like on your post, then realised how horribly wrong you are on every point.
The idea is that this cloud exists and that a planet X bounces comets toward the sun. Long period comets
are rare. So, the supposed "billions" of comets that exist a trillion miles away would never have "burned up"
over the age of the solar system. You should think before you speak.
"Whenever modern day secular scientist find a big hole in their theories they just concoct new theories lacking any actual proof to fool you into believing them, i.e. instant evolution, dark matter, planet killing asteroids and such."
BuKaNoCo, I dont think that the word Theory means what you think it means.
And Christians insert "god" to explain what they don’t understand. Then they stop looking for an answerer. Science is constantly trying to figure it out, and usually does eventually. Like powered flight, nuclear energy, relativity, time, space and gravity distortions (requires to figure out to make your GPS work).. and so on. I'll put my money on the quest for the truth knowing they will make mistakes, rather than accepting "god did it". Science will always have big holes. That's WHY theories are thought up. Eventually one is PROVEN. How about religion? Witch one has any chance at all to prove it's correct? It'll never happen because "faith" (no matter how many believe it) holds no proof. Big hole in religion to me is where did god come from? Ok he always existed. If that's the best they can do, science can just say the universe is eternal. No god required. The difference is science will continue to look, religion does not. The holly book is all the science they need. The world is flat! The Earth is the center of existence! Then we came along.......
For some reason religion keeps insisting scientists are wrong while talking on the cell phone using half the technology science discovered…. But there wrong!
Nice how your entire outlook is to build up false points and stereotypes so you can knock them down and call them wrong. Sounds to me like you're the one who stopped looking.
Ying Yang,
your post indicates an extreme lack of insight and intelligence.
Christians believe in God, not "god" and if your werent so clueless, you would know that it was Christians that ushered in modern science. (Newton, et al.)
the goal of science was to discover HOW God created, not IF.
Witch one has any chance at all to prove it's correct? - perhaps you meant "which"
do you not know how much of the Bible has been verified scientifically? to single out only one example, have you heard of the Hittites? now thought of as a world changing empire from the area of modern day Turkey, it had been thought by many scholars/scientists (read: athiests) to be fictional, due to the fact that the only record of the peoples was in the Bible. then there handiwork was discovered. any credit given to the authenticity of the Biblical record after this? no. the discovery came about because fools set out to disprove the Biblical account. and found it was correct.
please feel free to maintain your close-minded ignorance, just keep it to yourself please. some of us "Christians" are here because science is facinating, not because we want to read drivel from some mouth breather without a clue as to what they are talking about.
The holly book is all the science they need. - "holly" book? really?
But there wrong! - ??? you are speaking like marty feldman in young frankenstein during the cart-ride to the castle. it would be "they are wrong" or "they're wrong"
thanks again for your delightful post, and keep voting for yourself...i look forward to more from you.
I think you also make mistakes.
You write there handiwork ..... it is their handiwork for me.
You write science is facinating... it is fascinating for me.
You are mistaking Theory and Hypothosis. At least scientist admit when they are wrong. many "Believers' refuse to accept any evidence contrary to their position. So far evolution has stood up as well as any Theory. The details may be in dispute but the broad Theory (with a capital T to distinguish from theory which many use interchangibly with hypothesis) is sound. Do I belive in evolutio, yes becuase nearly all the evidence supports it. Does that make me an atheist? No. But I challenge anyone to prove the existance of a god without resource to "the Bible say so".
edda,
caught that myself. too late to change it though. didnt claim i was perfect, just responding to a post that was antagonistic when there is no valid reason for it.
agreed on your post. though, their handiwork wasn't necessarily for me...lol
when i read drivel i get put on edge, and a hasty response is often filled with error.
D.G. Moore,
i can tell you honestly it has been my experience that non-believers refuse to accept evidence contrary to their position as well, and are exceptionally rabid about it.
yes becuase nearly all the evidence supports it. - actually, it doesnt. it is just that evidence that points out the invalidity of the theory is squashed and disregarded because it doesnt 'tow the party line'
the very make-up of all living things is indicative of a Creator, not chaos. the incredible majesty of the universe is indicatave of a Creator, not chaos. seek, and ye shall find.
personally, i dont find my faith to be an obstacle to learning. athiest's dont find their (non)belief to be an obstacle. let's just promote honesty instead of an agenda. only then can we make progress.
Who's promoting an agenda? I am so sick of conspiracy theorist. Just because something is doesn't mean Someone had to create it. That is not proof. I do believe but I'm honest enough to say I can't prove God exist. I wish I could. If i am wrong and this is all there is then the worst I face is oblivion. If that is all then the Clash were right "you can be true, you can be false, you will all be given the same reward"
D.G.
the evolutionists are promoting an agenda.
the astronomical odds required for random chance generation of life should be one indicator.
the verification of many things written in the Bible should be another. does this prove beyond a shadow of doubt? no, but it points in the correct direction.
though i do enjoy the clash, Joe Strummer was wrong.
D.G.
on the same note;
the chair your are sitting in, no evidence it had to be created by someone/something?
how about your computer, house, car, cell phone, etc.?
all these 'exist', what proof is there that they necessitate a creator/designer/builder?
did you see any of them created, or do you honestly believe that they simply 'came to be'?
how many miles of nerves are there in the human body?
the structure of a bird feather, the code written into DNA, the incredible complexity of a single cell. the more science discovers, the more amazed we are at the magnitude of ingenuity required.
no, these things did not simply 'evolve' by random chance. they scream necessity for a creator. does this prove beyond a shadow of doubt? no. that is why it is called faith.
those that play the 'evolution' game have absolutely no hard evidence for random generation, they concoct just-so stories, however flawed and must profess a 'faith' that this is how they came about.
i could care less if you believe in evolution or Creation. it makes no difference to me. what does make a difference though, is the evolutionists declaration of 'fact' where none exists. the refusal to entertain the notion of creation because it doesnt fit in with their 'humanist' agenda. their desire for there to be no God is fundamental to the theory. reference Thomas Huxley..
Let the Solar System bring it on....It's Natural....unlike the Malicious Governance of President Obama's "Other Power Centers," and the BOYS in DC. Aren't we past due a revolution in this Country? Do you really believe the Propaganda?
Major, I'm assuming that's a given name and not a military rank, or like the old Southern "Colonel" it's something you've awarded to yourself.
What you preach is sedition. It is treason and prosecutable under the laws of the United States.
I think somebody else tried to start a "revolution" out in Arizona a few weeks ago. A lot of innocent people died and guess what? The duly elected government of the people, by the people and for the people is still in place and functioning as well as it ever has for the last 200+ years.
If you don't like the government in power, VOTE! If your side loses the election, TOUGH! You'll get another chance in 2-4 years depending on the date of your disappointment.
If you don't have a comment on the article above, move along. I'm sure someone over on the FOX NEWS blog would be fascinated by your observations.
Thank you Skip, well said. You'd figure a science article would attract a more intelligent mind.
You're welcome Tony. If he wants to spout off about the government and make racist statements ("BOYS"?, Really?) about the President he can do it on the FOX NEWS blog.
This blog is for science and those of us struggling to understand the latest discoveries and what they mean to mankind.
Politics and Religion are more appropriately discussed on the blogs dedicated to those topics. IMHO.
Take care and thanks.
What an idiot !
That shotgun's got a pretty wide scatter pattern Mike 42, who are you aiming at?
Awesome Posts skip! :)
Thanks Pirate C, yohoho!
The comment was for the OP Skip. Now why you would waste time with more than a sentence or two I don't know.
What he said was not racist. I agree with the Major.
Hitler was voted into office as well. Voting is only part of your responsibility. Killing Nazis is another.
Finding another planet would be amazing, i dont understand why people are so scared of a planet X for 2012, unless this planet is traveling thousands of MPH straight for us , then we have nothing to worry about. still very interseting all the publicity this Planet X is having, sure makes you wonder wtf.
Because people can make money easily off of fear, (aka movies and other popular media) Plus some people find it easier to freak out rather then use reason to dictate their reactions. Ssensationalism sells.
jonboy,
it doesnt have to be coming at us. merely has to get close enough for its gravitational pull to influence objects in our solar system. were it to come close, it's pull would likely rip the earth apart.
Alan Boyle;
i believe i heard about this planet X back in the late 1980's. from what i recall, it's orbital pattern would have it coming up from under our planetary orbit and would be difficult to spot due to lack of observationfar down in the southern hemisphere. are there new(newer) observatories that are able to track objects over the south pole?
Hiya Jackel!
There are lots of great observatories in the southern half of the Earth; we've had great sky coverage from "down under" since the days of Herschel (about 200 years ago), including observatories in Antarctica. We have full coverage of the sky - there is no "blind spot" where something like a planet could "sneak up" on us. Further, space telescope have no limitation in which direction they may look (other than being blinded by the Sun, etc...)
Also, I have good news, and I have bad news.... ;-)
The good news - shredding a planet via tidal stretching is really unlikely. Something that would be capable of "ripping the Earth apart" would have to be HUGE (think Jupiter) and we'd have to get in really really close. Jupiter and Saturn have dozens of moons each, some larger than Mercury, which orbit happily around their gas giant anchors.
The bad news - what is far more likely in an encounter with a giant planet is not that the Earth would be shredded, but that we'd get a gravitational slingshot that would throw us out of our current orbit - into a different orbit (too hot or cold, perhaps), or into the Sun, or clear out of the Solar System.
Of course that's all hypothetical and "just for fun"; there ain't nothin' out there that will give the Earth any bother.
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
heya Michael (astronomy FM),
hope all is well with you.
thanks for the response. i kind of thought it would be unusual to have a 'blind spot' where some celestial body could come at us undetected, though as i recall, that was the story.
i agree with the gravitational slingshot, but would assume that it would affect our planet or objects in our solar system, in some way (earthquakes, tidal influence greater than our moon does) or throwing objects in our solar system at us. and if it pulls debris behind it from the oort cloud...that is, if it is there to begin with.
my thinking is that im here and enjoying my life, and i will continue to do so until i shake off these earthly bonds. if it comes from a rogue planet or ripe old age, im ok either way. though a planet coming at us would likely require an easy chair with ottoman and a cold beer for the show while it lasts.
thanks again. always enjoy and appreciate your input Michael!
who created god? and where is he now?
archie,
how did the universe come to be? what is the origin of life?
We don't know.
Michael,
exactly. none of us were there.
my point to archie is we dont have all the answers. we must study, research, and learn. then make a rational decision based on what we do know.
i believe life exists. i believe the universe exists. i also believe God exists.
i dont know how they came to be.
someday, we will find out.
Good thing. I was scared!!!
PLANET X! It sounds like the title to a 50's sci-fi movie. INVASION OF THE SPACE BIMBO'S OF PLANET X. I think I'll work up a script.
I'm having a hard time understanding how, if Planet X exists, we haven't picked it up and varified it's existence by now. I mean, we keep reaching further and further into the past with our telescopes and other advanced observation equipment. Planet X seems to be a lot closer than those discoveries. If it's there why haven't we seen it?
Inquiring minds want to know, not that our tiny monkey brains will understand the explanation.
I would think a planet with more mass than Jupiter would have been detected long ago too. This whole Planet X story came about when the 2012 hype started. It's people looking for reasons for the end of the world. I'm actually surprised to see an article about it on MSNBC. Usually I see these stories on conspiracy web sites.
make sure the Bimbos used have big breasts.......
Arney,
I believe the physical attributes of the cast are implied in the title of the piece. I will refrain from further comment lest I offend some readers of this blog. :-)
Of course. Otherwise the movie flops. lol
the existance of a planet beyond Major Planet Pluto has been bounced around Astronomy circles for quite some time and is not connected with the 2012 situation.
I'm figuring it will go direct to "Double D"-VD any way, wink wink nudge nudge.
Sorry, I couldn't help it, I'm a slave to my baser instincts. It's the lizard portion of my tiny monkey brain.
Our entire universe, all that we know and scientists theorize, fits neatly inside a spec on a flower carried by a huge elephant.
Prove me wrong. :D
Who?
I thank you and Horton thanks (and little Cindy Lou Who who is just two thanks you too!)
This Who, for one, believes you.
Isn't it true that Astronomers, Governments and NASA and other space agencies have adapted a policy of not telling anyone if such a disaster were about to happen? I believe this was reported in MSNBC and other sites a few years ago . In that report if someone discovered an comet that looked to be headed toward Earth, they were to inform the Goverment and not say a word (I think jail time for leaking it out was mentioned)
So with that said, I am highly skeptical of any report that so and so does not exist or such and such is not going to hit. I will wait and judge for myself.
Well, yeah. Because jail is such a compelling deterrent when the end of the world is coming.
There are plenty of amateur astonomers out there that probably didn't get that memo.
Double post. Upgraded in the next post.
The term "astronomer" implies that the individual in question has looked outward from the Earth with a logically critical eye, amateur or professional. These 2012 nutjobs are neither. "Astrologers" would be a better fit except that would be insulting to astrologers.
@Magnum
No - not true. And frankly, ridiculous.
1) There are tens of thousands of astronomers around the world, in every country on this planet. Your conspiracy of silence demands that ALL of them in every nation are shut up by your policy. Riiiiight.
2) There are 100's of thousands of amateur astronomers around the world, many of them with very sophisticated capability. Amateurs today are producing images of the Universe that are BETTER than what the Hale Telescope on Palomar Mountain was able to create 50 years ago, back when it was the biggest 'scope in the world. (A saying among astronomers - as long as there are more stars than there are pro scopes, we are very welcoming and supporting of serious amateur help!)
3) All it takes is ONE PERSON to break the news, and ALL astronomers are dying to make such a significant discovery. EVEN IS your supposition is true, is there ANYONE who wouldn't risk a bit of jail time to be really famous?
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
As I understand it... "Planet X" is supposed to be a Brown Dwarf.. essentially a Binary star that failed to ignight... there is gravitional evidence that supports it's existance, but due to it's far distant location, and lack of internal heat, it is extremly difficult to "see" with earth based telescopes...
Planet X would be something around Jupiter-scale ... when you're talking about brown-dwarf size (say, 13 to 15 times as massive as Jupiter), then you get into the range where conspiracy theorists refer to Nemesis or unseen companion "star" (actually, brown dwarf). You're right, such objects are extremely difficult to see using ground-based telescopes, even if you knew exactly where to look.
I see another article today concerning the mystery of Sedna, and the fact that it does not seem to have a moon. Are there suddenly 2 mysterious planets in our solar system?
Sedna has been known about for a long time ... but the additional observations, which imply that Sedna is moonless, are of more recent vintage:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/14apr_sedna2/
The Sedena article is 7 years old...
Me, I like to worry about Sirius going supernova.
Since we're worrying about low-probability events.
Oh, get Sirius!
(Sorry, couldn't resist!)
Surely you can't be Sirius.
i am Sirius
and dont call me shirley!
It is great to be alive in such an exciting time where such things can be considered and then proved or disproved.
Alan,
I've been reading you for longer than I care to admit but lost track as our company drifted away (or was it you? LOL) from the MSN homepage. Good to see you are still at it. I have always found you to be one of the most even handed reporters in a position where it would be too easy to dismiss any that disagree with you.
What a nice re-discovery on a dreary February evening.
Glad to have you back, John!
Ever notice how whenever there a story like this emerges, people like Alan Boyle almost immediately start posting about how its not a harbinger of apocalyptic doom in 2012 or any other year, so dont worry, we're gonna be okay folks, it means nothing, really!! It must be great to believe that you know everything that the universe has in store for us from the vast knowledge of your human brain, Mr Boyle. Been walking across water lately too? ;)
http://stevencwatts.newsvine.com/_news/2011/02/15/6060912-logical-fallacies-101-ad-hominem-attack-the-source
So...uh...hmm...er...
Slow news day in the space department?
:-/
Nothing on VASIMER rockets, latest space architecture, Space X, Solar energy to be beamed to Earth, water being discovered on [place planet name here], Bigelow Aerospace, technology roadmaps, flying cars, breakthroughs on the International Space Station, progress on the the James Webb Space Telescope, latest on the Orion Space Capsule, latest and greatest on cutting edge propulsion systems being tested at NASA's labs across the nation? Any news on the future space-based economy? Any news on governmnet-funded or private space ventures dealing with 'unorthodox' propulsion systems? Remember to still keep yourself ground with at least one foot to ensure you stay out of science fiction and remain in science fact...
I got nothing but respect for you, Alan. You gotta know it's one thing to report on the ramblings of two astronomers that are dealing with the unknowns of the Universe from reports older than ten years ago, but if you want to inspire the American taxpayer, you gotta report on the here and now and what we as a nation are doing to reach those stars, clouds, brown dwarfs, and phantom planets...Let alone REAL PLANETS...
Instead, why not report on what we as individuals, as a company, as a government-sponsored organization, as a country, or even as a species are doing to get to space on a more regular basis that three times a year...Otherwise, Obama wins, NASA folds, and we pay $50 million a seat to get to our modules on the ISS...
BTW, that's WHEN we can afford to pay...ugh...Cheers!
The bible has no place in this discussion... The bible contains stories that may or may not be true, but they definitely contain myth of the time. You can interpret these stories how you want but you can not say that they are fact. science can be proven... planet x can be proven (if it exists) but words in a book written by story tellers cannot... They are indeed story tellers because the bible was written before science had a name. Leave the bible out of science... but i understand how we can learn from it.
who created god and where is he now?
I know god talk seems important to some, but wow does it take away from real scientific discussion.
sorry, i agree with you. Just been carried away by reading some of the comments.
Sorry, I meant to post that to all and not just your post. Science talk leads to open discussion, but god talk leads to arguments, as you can see.
i always found difficult to understand any religion:
if god is so almighty then why he didnt leave some awesome artifacts to make sure we all believe in him? why for him our faith is so important? who created god? where does he live now? what about other religions who's god is the right one then? and why do you think that god is actually god (think what ants think of humans)?
sorry guys, but i found those who follow any religon to be delusional. If the god really exists, then our religions have nothing to do with him. all these churches, mosques etc. are just for your own sake and not for the god's sake. humans are selfish and stubborn creatures.
archie,
i didnt bring God or religion into this discussion, but if someone is going to spread lies and misinformation i will respond, though my preference would be to stay on topic.
God is indeed almighty, and left some awesome artifacts for us (the universe and all within it)
God doesnt want slaves. God wants those who want Him. that is why you have a choice, and its a simple one, believe or dont. just understand there are consequences for your decision, and those have been spelled out in plain and simple terms.
i seriously doubt ants think of humans.
you think im delusional, that's fine by me. you appear blind to possibilities, and ruling out what you dont know about or cant prove is the epitome of delusion, and most certainly not a scientific approach.
i firmly believe that God exists, and agree with you about religion (God and religion are not the same) and buildings of worship, they are not holy places, they are buildings. period.
i came here to read posts about the article, and gain some information and clarification of what i remember hearing about. thanks to Alan for covering science and tech for msnbc, and many thanks to Michael (astronomy FM) for graciously posting information of a professional caliber with a light hearted attitude.
if you have more to discuss regarding religion or God, i suggest you seed an article on the subject, because you have four posts to this vine, two are the same post, and not one is a question or comment about the article.
I'm not concerned regarding a planet X but I am about returning comets.
It should be kept in mind reg
Oh man, so many big words.... Geeez.. did everyone in here go to College? What ever happened to "ignorance is a bliss"?
Damn..... I guess I shouldn't have maxed out all my credit cards in anticipation of the end. I hope Walmart gives me a raise this year....