Life in meteorites? Study stirs debate

R. Hoover / Journal of Cosmology

A field-emission scanning electron micrograph shows one of the filaments that was found in the Ivuna CI1 carbonaceous meteorite. The image includes labels for data about elemental composition. The bar at lower left shows the 1-micron scale. The filament looks similar to those seen in earthly cyanobacteria.

Last updated 4:20 p.m. ET March 6:

Are there traces of ancient bacteria trapped inside meteorites that fell to Earth decades ago? You can add that question to the list of unresolved issues surrounding the search for life beyond Earth, thanks to a just-published study by a NASA researcher.

The new study, published in the Journal of Cosmology, focuses on structures that look like the filaments that biologists typically see on micro-organisms known as cyanobacteria. Richard Hoover, an astrobiologist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama, found the filamentary structures inside samples of meteorites that are thought to date back to the solar system's beginnings, more than 4 billion years ago.

If the structures are confirmed to be of biological but unearthly origin, that would serve as fresh evidence that life can make its way through outer space and "seed" planets, including our own, Hoover told me today.

"Life may have a wider planetary distribution than simply being limited to the planet Earth," he said. In the paper, Hoover said the evidence suggests that microbial life could well exist on comets or icy worlds such as Europa or Enceladus.

Most astrobiologists might be willing to go along with that broad conclusion. However, Hoover's specific claims could well end up in the same sort of limbo that surrounds the claims made 15 years ago about microfossils inside a meteorite from Mars.


The initial evidence was the subject of dramatic news conferences and huge headlines, but as time went on, doubts about the findings grew. Today, few astrobiologists see the Mars meteorite as containing any conclusive evidence for the existence of past or present Martian life.

Cautious and skeptical reactions
"This may turn out to be another one of those cases where it's controversial but remains unproven," Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at the California-based SETI Institute, told me today.

Shostak said Hoover's findings would be "important, if true." But he noted that the research paper relied on a highly technical interpretation of electron microscope images and chemical analyses. "Is it true? I'm not qualified to say that," Shostak said.

The Journal of Cosmology's editor-in-chief, Rudy Schild of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said in a note accompanying Hoover's study that 100 experts were invited to critique the research, and that any commentaries would be published beginning Monday. The overall tone of the commentaries is likely to be skeptical: Lynn Rothschild, an astrobiologist at NASA's Ames Research Center in California, said many biologists were "very concerned" about the claims.

More than one expert wondered why the research merited any news coverage at all.

"Many scientists have examined thousands of meteorites in detail over the past 50 years without finding any evidence of fossil life," David Morrison, senior scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute at Ames Research Center, told me in an e-mail. "Further, we know a great deal about the conditions on the parent objects of the meteorites, which (not counting the few meteorites from the moon and Mars) were rather small, not at all like planets.

"I would therefore invoke Carl Sagan's famous advice that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. At a bare minimum this would require publication in a prestigious peer-refereed scientific journal — which this is not. Cyanobacteria on a small airless world sounds like a joke. Perhaps the publication came out too soon; more appropriate would have been on April 1," Morrison said.

Questions about origin
The debate over the validity of Hoover's claims is likely to concentrate over whether the filamentary structures are truly biological in origin, and if so, whether they're the result of earthly contamination.

Hoover said that the filaments, which can measure more than 20 microns long, are of the right size and shape to match the characteristic structures seen in types of cyanobacteria.

"Because of the fact that they are so large and so complex, and many of them have specialized cells, these cyanobacteria can be identified — sometimes to genus and species — just on the basis of certain specialzed cells," he explained. One of the structures found in the meteorites is similar to that seen in the giant bacterium known as Titanospirillum velox, for example.

If the structures are so similar to those seen in earthly organisms, could that be because they're actually the traces of cyanobacteria that found their way into the meteorite? Hoover argues that they're not the result of contamination. He said that cyanobacteria are generally found in aquatic environments, but the meteorites are made of stuff that falls apart when exposed to liquid water. He also said chemical tests on the filaments could find no evidence of nitrogen, which should have been present if earthly cyanobacteria infiltrated the meteorites. One of the meteorites, for example, is known to have fallen to Earth in France in 1864.

"The inability to detect nitrogen in the filaments indicates that they are ancient, and since the meteorite came to Earth in 1864, that indicates that they were in the meteorite when it fell," Hoover said.

Previous analyses of the meteorites' chemical composition have concluded that they were formed during the solar system's earliest epoch, perhaps as comets. But Hoover said that doesn't necessarily mean the structures were present from the very beginning. They could have been picked up from debris that was knocked into space by cosmic impacts. They could even have come from Earth itself, as the result of a meteor blast that occurred millions or billions of years ago.

"That's absolutely possible," Hoover acknowledged. "I have no reason to say I could rule that out."

Hoover has made provocative claims before, and he fully expects that others will contest his conclusions this time as well. "I can only make my observations, based on the scientific results that I see," he told me.

What do you think? Is this a significant advance for the study of life beyond Earth, or a blip hardly worth writing about? Feel free to weigh in with your comments below.

Update for 6 p.m. ET: Rocco Mancinelli, senior research scientist at the Bay Area Environmental Research Institute, weighed in with this e-mailed critique of Hoover's paper:

"As a microbiologist who has looked at thousands of microbes through a microscope, and done some of my own electron microscopy, I see no convincing evidence that these particles are of biological origin.  

"The techniques used may not have been appropriate for these types of analyses. It is stated that the implements were flame-sterilized, with no details of how this was performed.  Were the implements placed in the flame of a Bunsen burner? If so, sometimes soot can get on them at the microscopic level. The usual procedure for flame sterilization is to dip the implements in ethanol then burn the ethanol off. Yet, these would be inappropriate for this type of analysis. You need to have everything clean and then bake at 550 degrees C overnight.  These missing details would cause me to question not just about the photos, but the elemental analyses as well.  I am also disturbed about the lack of nitrogen. There should be more. There are many technical flaws in this paper."

Update for 10:50 p.m. ET: Dale Andersen, principal investigator at the Carl Sagan Center for the Study of Life in the Universe at the SETI Institute, sent his detailed reaction in an e-mail:

"I would be absolutely thrilled to see this story verified, and it would be even more exciting if we found evidence of life that was quite different from terrestrial life — say, for example, its genetic coding used different base pairs than Earth life. That would imply not just evidence of life from beyond our planet, but would demonstrate an independent genesis of life, something that would be absolutely astonishing.

"That said, one needs to look at this paper with a lot of caution, particularly with [the Mars meteorite] ALH 84001 in mind. That was a great story and generated a wonderful debate that continues even today — regardless of the outcome, I would say it was a success story. The best of the best have worked on that meteorite and tried in vain to prove or disprove the original thesis that ALH 84001 holds evidence of life from the planet Mars. While I think it's fair to say that the general scientific consensus is that McKay et al. [the researchers who did the Mars meteorite study] did not provide unambiguous evidence of extraterrestrial life, the process that accompanied the effort throughout was well worth the effort. The scientific community was compelled to think in new ways and to find better tools and methods to examine the evidence. This resulted in technological advances and a much better understanding of how to approach the problem and finding its answer. And the public was very engaged throughout, which was a good thing. I hope there is long-term, strong support for NASA's Exobiology program and that NASA is allowed to continue the search for a better understanding of the origin, evolution and distribution of life in the universe; it's a goal worthy of support.

"With respect to Richard Hoover's claims about finding evidence of life within the samples of meteorites he has observed, I think he has a very high bar to clear before this story is accepted by the scientific community.  It should also be noted that Richard has published this thesis previously (e.g., in 2004: "Perspectives in Astrobiology" (NATO Science Series: Life and Behavioural Sciences, Vol. 366) [Hardcover] Richard B. Hoover (Editor), Aleksei Iurevich Rozanov (Editor), Roland Paepe (Editor)), and the ideas were not well-received nor did they gain traction within the scientific community.

"Peer review will include the examination of his and other scientists’ data and logic, and not until that has occurred will we see how the story unfolds. Occam's razor will eventually be used to slice and dice the carbonaceous chondrites used by Richard to present his evidence. Is it more likely that upon looking into the interior of a meteorite collected on Earth and finding photosynthetic cyanobacteria, which on Earth are usually found in water or wet sediments, their presence is due to contamination from terrestrial sources or that it formed inside the parent body of comet or asteroid in deep space? There will be many other possibilities to rule out before one arrives at the extraterrestrial answer.

"I hope the public does not assume that this story is a certainty — it clearly is not, at least not at this point.  Mostly, I hope the general public is able to learn more about the scientific process and the use of critical thinking skills to arrive at the truth and are not confused by an endless parade of silly articles that neither enlighten nor inform. Let the debate begin.

"A side note: I am not an expert with respect to meteorites. It would be very useful to get some of the ALH 84001 folks to weigh in on Richard’s findings, techniques, histories of the meteorites used (where collected, handling), logic etc. And while it may be OK to express healthy skepticism in public forums — meetings such as AbSciCon, AGU, AAAS, etc. and the scientific literature are the places to really rebut and critique the body of work presented — the scientific process should be the judge. Perhaps that is the real story here.  Let the facts demonstrate the truth."

I e-mailed an inquiry to David McKay, one of the leaders of the ALH 84001 research team at NASA's Johnson Space Center, even before Andersen mentioned the idea — and I'll report back if I hear anything.

Update for 3 p.m. ET March 6: More critical commentaries are coming in, from Pharyngula's P.Z. Myers as well as from Rosie Redfield, the microbiologist at the University of British Columbia who blew the whistle as well on the "arsenic life" research that made such a splash last December. Here's a link roundup:

Update for 4:20 p.m. ET March 6: Rudy Schild, the astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who is also the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Cosmology, sent this open letter via e-mail today:

"The Journal of Cosmology had issued a personal invitation to 100 scientists, and a general invitation to over 5,000 members of the scientific community, inviting critical commentary on Dr. Hoover's landmark, paradigm shattering paper.  All were given access to a PDF containing a preprint of Dr. Hoover's article.

"Within hours of making it available, it was downloaded over 1,400 times.

"After issuing an open invitation for scientists to search for flaws and to report them in a scientific forum, as of March 6, the Journal of Cosmology has received 12 commentaries.

"Five detail what could best be described as minor quibbles. One offers an alternative explanation as to the origin of these fossils but does not dispute the evidence. We will publish all commentaries so far received, this evening.

"It is natural to have doubt. Skepticism is the nature of science. Debate is healthy and is good for science. We are frankly amazed that we have not received an avalanche of critical commentaries.

"Perhaps the reaction could be described as 'stunned silence'?

"As to those who post insults on various websites, this is not to be taken seriously.

"On the other hand, Dr. Hoover's article, and the lack of scholarly, critical dispute, may be an indication of a paradigm shift; similar to the realization that Earth was not flat nor the center of the Universe. What I mean is: Most scientists and perhaps most of the public realize life must be everywhere throughout the cosmos and not just confined to Earth, and Dr. Hoover's paper simply confirms what most already suspect.

"This may also account for why the over 150 news articles and blogs so far published (with the exception of MSNBC), the response has been generally favorable or positive in nature.

"The inability, so far, of the scientific community to find and present any major flaws in a scientific forum and to submit and publish them in a scientific Journal which has invited critical commentary, speaks for itself.

"However, the jury is still out.  Our deadline for receipt of scientific commentaries is Monday, the 7th.   We will extend that deadline.

"The Journal of Cosmology will publish critical commentary. We encourage it. We ask the media to encourage the scientific community to send us critical commentary.

"However, so far, the verdict appears to be: We are not alone."

Earlier, Schild forwarded some additional reactions to Hoover's paper. Here is a quote attributed to Carl Gibson of the Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences at Scripps Institute and the University of California at San Diego:

"Dr. Hoover has provided the world with extraordinary evidence to back up extraordinary claims. This discovery completely changes our perspective of the nature of life and our place in the universe. The world will never be the same."

Here's a quote from Chandra Wickramasinghe, director of the Astrobiology Centre at Cardiff University, who has also stirred up controversy for his views about life from space:

" Dr. Hoover has provided the world with decisive evidence that we are all aliens. Life is a truly cosmic phenomenon. ... We believe Dr. Hoover's evidence, coupled with other findings and recent genetic studies, indicates life has a genetic ancestry which leads over 10 billion years back in time. Some of these life forms were delivered to Earth, in comets."

I've started up a new item with further reaction, from the Journal of Cosmology's commentaries as well as other sources. 

More controversies in astrobiology:


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Where in the bible does it say we are alone? Next to where it says we must give our slave the sabbath off to rest. Hate to tell you but the universe is teeming with life.

    Reply#35 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:05 PM EST

    in fact it seems like the x-ray of the stomach of my uncle

      Reply#36 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:07 PM EST

      There's no life on other plaents, except maybe on Saturday nights.

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      Reply#37 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:08 PM EST

      Well me i belive there was life created from a supreme being and this supreame being created us as an experment to see how we would change and what we bacome and with that i belevie he or she, it is unknown but i belive it is a she cause women thus far are the only ones besides in the sea horses that create life, would not just have one planet for the experiment. With that there has to be multipule life forms on different planents.

        Reply#38 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:08 PM EST

        I do not believe in Martians or aliens I am quite sure that the real aliens are humans in this earth

          Reply#39 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:11 PM EST

          It is bothering that Carl Sagan is so often quoted, merely because he wore a turtleneck and talked funny on tv.

          Fact is, ALL-ALL new information is extraordinary! Why should all new information require extraordinary evidence? If we followed this silly rule, then science itself would become silly!

          Isn't ordinary evidence sufficient as ordinary evidence?

          Sagan never took a course in Logic. Even if he did, he was clearly AWOL. He also uddered absurdities like "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". WTF? Maybe he should have been a federal prosecutor.

          Leave us not allow puns and bumper stickers to guide us.

            Reply#40 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:11 PM EST

            Carl Sagan had more knowledge and intelligence in one of his pubic hairs than you have in your whole body. Your post has no logic. You're spitting on the genius of Sagan but supporting the new evidence?? Get a grip dude.

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            #40.1 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:23 PM EST

            Your knowledge of Sagan's pubic hairs is not in the least interesting.

            Maybe you could go into another field?

              #40.2 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 10:31 PM EST
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              There is this guy named Carl Sagan, maybe some of you have heard of him:) The mere thought that we are alone and were created by god is in itself a sign of idiocy and lack of education. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. One could say the same quote with the respect of God's existence, problem is there is this thing called science. God doesn't bring the rain, science does. Anyone who has studied or read about the universe, understands that the most ignorant belief any man could have is that there is not life on another planet. Bacteria is life, how the hell do you think life on earth started?? Bacteria. Thank religion for the stupidity and ignorance of human kind. Not only is the universe kinda big, but it's age and function of time is unable to be grasped by most humans. Earth is simply a spec in the timeframe of the universe, and it's existence is based purely on science. For any of you morons who don't believe in life elsewhere......

              Tonight I'd really like to have lobster for dinner. I leave my door open all night but the lobster never shows up at my door. Does that mean they don't exist?? The lobster is incabable and unlikely to ever crawl through MY door, not to mention he really doesn't care about my human affairs and has no reason to venture there. We will never in our lifetimes see life from other planets, it's probable the earth will be gone before life from another planet were to stumble upon our little solar system in some spaceship. That frame of time is nothing to the universe. There are probably millions of civilizations from other planets already come and gone in the age of the universe and there will be millions more after ours. I don't fear death, I am only sad that I will never know the secrets of the universe.

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              Reply#41 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:18 PM EST

              Rick, you state:

              Anyone who has studied or read about the universe, understands that the most ignorant belief any man could have is that there is not life on another planet.

              and....

              For any of you morons who don't believe in life elsewhere......

              I have dedicated my life to studying the Universe. Whether I am, or I am not, a moron is up to others to judge. The fact is, WE DO NOT KNOW if there is life beyond the Earth. We may make educated guesses, but they remain nothing more than guesses until we find something else, or we have searched far and near and found nothing.

              We do not know how life on this planet started. And we do not know if we are alone in the Universe. Any other statement is conjecture and the subject of earnest research.

              Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)

                #41.1 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 10:08 PM EST

                And she cried " we-we-we" all the way home. Won't you please speak only for yourself.

                  #41.2 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 10:40 PM EST

                  >>We will never in our lifetimes see life from other planets

                  Actually Rick, we might find microbial life in other planets or moons in our solar system in perhaps 40 years, when new missions to Europa, Ganymede, Mars etc will be launched. There is mars Curiosity rover going later this year.

                  I know the "life is too short feeling". The universe is a mysterious and enigmatic place and one can't stop marvelling at it. When you look up at the stars at night, the primeval cosmic feeling is irresistible. It's like the stars beckon you to ask "Why are you here? What's the purpose of the universe? Is there life out there?". And 100 years is way too short to know its secrets. At least, we can make the best of it and enjoy it as long as we're there. And also take some comfort in the fact that our great great grandchildren will know more about the cosmos. Which is why I want the human species to survive as long as possible.

                    #41.3 - Sun Mar 6, 2011 5:16 PM EST
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                    It is said long ago that the world is flat, and people were persecuted for there opinions of the world being round , and people are still persecuted for there ideas to this day.

                    Now they have constant trouble proving life in space , regardless of countless international space projects.

                    Why the ignorance? Cause is of fear , of loss of control over thought and truth.

                    It is silly to think we are all alone in the universe.

                    It is easy to see the lack of disclosure in the findings is such articles such as the one we have just read. This is nothing new. Very old in fact.

                    I know this world would be better off knowing the truth when the time has been earned.

                    So far people are in a world much ignorance.

                    Wake up.

                      Reply#42 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:26 PM EST

                      It is inevitable that life will be found somewhere other than on earth. How intelligent will it be is what matters.

                        Reply#43 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:26 PM EST

                        When Mars was young and full of life and water it got whacked by a planetoid, the debris of which became the asteroid belt. Mar's atmosphere was knocked clean off the planet along witha bunch of water that flash froze in space, protecting the bacterial spores within. This water later crossed orbital paths with Earth and fell into the oceans creating either the infamous Explosion of Life Forms era and/or a mass extinction as the expatriated Martian life forms flourished in their new home . They simply out natural selectioned the natives

                          Reply#44 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:27 PM EST

                          it all must be quantative and qualitative to be to the true side

                          but what is truth

                          a priori can change with additional information

                          it is all so fragile; make the best of it while your here and keep asking questions

                          someday you may ask the right one and alas discovery

                          remeber Braile was ony a youngster

                            Reply#45 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:27 PM EST

                            Life and culture developed on Earth is a wonderful thing. We are programmed to destroy ourselves through evolution. From dust to dust.

                            We should develop a space ship and put all the art and learning in orbit to protect the knowledge of generations of mankind before we disintegrate ourselves.

                              Reply#46 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:28 PM EST

                              I'm not surprised at all, I knew there was life outside our planet. And there is intelligent life out there, way smarter or advanced than we are.

                                Reply#47 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:30 PM EST

                                What the Humans-5 Senses 5 Energy- creation cannot fathom that Supreme Energy created CREATIONS that have 6 Senses 6 Energy compositions and Million Energy Million Senses and in between and beyond various Creations.

                                The continuum of universes is just whole Energy.

                                The CREATIONS other than what is on Earth is what Humans and its senses can comprehend. The livings are here in different forms in this space which includes EARTH and Earthlings.

                                To realize this FIRST the soul must leave this defecating micturating body.

                                The Soul-Body-Material anchored entity has its own self inflicted limitations.-

                                A good soul only takes to just sustain the pure body.

                                The difference between Physics & Meta Physics is what is revealed and not- limitation of knowledge.

                                 

                                  Reply#48 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:32 PM EST

                                  Amazing to consider that "life" can be contained in a meteorite, but not in an unborn fetus.

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                                  Reply#49 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:33 PM EST

                                  yeah, they rather kill those when the women request it. our lives are sacred, but they rather seek other life that can be a danger to our very way of life, as kid a i always kept my head up to sky looking for fying saucers and E.T. the most. but i wonder what really going on with this technology that's at least 25 years ahead of us all. I'm kind of seeing the plan here.

                                    #49.1 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:47 PM EST
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                                    I find it very funny when I read all the comments about the possibility of life in space.

                                    The fact remains that we are the Aliens we seek. We are a genetic experiment created long ago by ancient Aliens. The evolution theory and creation theory are a joke. The Astronauts who walked on the moon stated they were observed by Alien Space craft and actually filmed the bases on the moon. NASA photograps show alien bases and Alien space Craft flying into earths orbit and even being fired upon by our military Star Wars program. We have bases in area 51. I guess all the intelligent individuals like Colonel Corso, Bob Lazar who back engineered Alien UFO's, Richard Hoagland, Pyramids on Mars, the oldest scientist at papose lake who stated on the history channel we have been to the stars already using alien technology. Alien craft have been over every major nuclear missle base in the US and Europe and have actually demonstrated stopping the missles in flight. The US Government has been covering all this up for years, untill those involved released it on the Larry king Show. I guess all Military Jet personell are stupid and see swamp gas flying next to their jets under positve intelligent control.

                                    They are already here.

                                      Reply#50 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:33 PM EST

                                      Yeah right!, what's next they going start rumoring that this so called alien life organism is a threat, then they going to try to have this excuse to evacuate people into FEMA camps where the real danger accurs. There is NO alien life, bacteria is already part of our very lives, they trying very hard to make people believe in E.T. what could a alien possibly look like when we have all these animals, plants, and everything else here on earth, tell me what feature can they have when earth has every ugly creature that we don't even know the names of. They call them selves intelligent, only what they've learned here in these corrupted school books made by U.S goverment. I have a funny feeling all those travels to space is planned to just build some high tech satalite that can beam into our atmosphere and make an image of invasions, all it's going to be is hologram. our Goverment has built Space ships, oh yeah, they technology is about 25 yeras ahead of us all, they not fooling me by a long shot.

                                        Reply#51 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:34 PM EST

                                        What the Humans-5 Senses 5 Energy- creation cannot fathom that Supreme Energy created CREATIONS that have 6 Senses 6 Energy compositions and Million Energy Million Senses and in between and beyond various Creations.

                                        The continuum of universes is just whole Energy.

                                        The CREATIONS other than what is on Earth is what Humans and its senses can not comprehend. The other livings are here in different forms in this space which includes EARTH and Earthlings.

                                        To realize this FIRST the soul must leave this defecating micturating diglutating body.

                                        The Soul-Body-Material anchored entity has its own self inflicted limitations.-

                                        A good soul only takes to just sustain the pure body.

                                        The difference between Physics & Meta Physics is what is revealed and not- limitation of knowledge.

                                        All CREASTIONS ARE HERE IN THIS LIMITLESS SPACE SIMULTANEOUSLY.

                                          Reply#52 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:39 PM EST

                                          Another thing, I can't believe the pope even promotes these kind of images in people mind. he suppose to be spreading the word of God, not E.T. Our churches now days need to be Reformed, it's bad enough they adopted paganism just to convert them type of people, now, here comes the great Science of Alien Life, the vatican really need evaluation, without Mary.

                                            Reply#53 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:39 PM EST

                                            I am amused by these acertions. Here's why. Even if there weren't microbes found on these rocks, science would surely press on with some other farfetched conclusion of life beyond earth. It is obvious they must or else they have nothing to do and mankind has no need for them or their research!

                                            Here's what I believe. Science is looking for life in the wrong rock. The rock of truth and not conjecture is Christ. I think it is called "eternal life." A better place to look! I got Christs' tweet. Didn't you know he was the first to tweet, "Follow me." (Matt 9:9b)

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                                            Reply#54 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:39 PM EST

                                            Amen to that, i truly agree.

                                              #54.1 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:49 PM EST
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                                              More nonsense from NASA. These are the same people who after 50 years in the space business dumped a $424,000,000 satalite into the Pacific Ocean last week. (That's $1.50 for every person in the USA.) Now, this week we re-examine an old space rock, and low and behold, we have life in outer space. Must be budget cuts in the works to be this desperate. Besides, they (the space life) better come to us since by the looks of things, our rockets aren't going to them. This outfit has become a waste of money; turn the space business over to the Air Force and private investors.

                                                Reply#55 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:41 PM EST

                                                I have no idea where it got it and don't reallly care, but it is quite obvious that a web spinning spider has if this, then this logic, and both a chemical and an archetictual/engineering plan to implement it, along with the ability to create the specialized tools and materials necessary to do so. Quite a mental and physical feat. Yep, just arose via magic, or chance, no logic involved whatsoever. Hogwash!

                                                  Reply#56 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:41 PM EST

                                                  Hi, sit down listen big mind is going to open your eyes America. I am one of the ones choosing by Jesus I am telling you the truth. When you read the Bible do you pay attention about what Jesus was teaching? He said" A shepherd has 100 sheeps one of them has lost he left the 99 sheeps to go saving the one that has lost." Do you know the meaning of this parable? God Has created so many different life in the universe, and we are the only race created as his image; meanwhile, we let Satan push us to rebel against his law, and we disobeyed, we have become sinners.WE LOST eternal life. He sends JESUS to save the only race among all the 99 races in the universe that lost. What do you think about the book of Job chapter 1 v 6? READ IT AND READ IT to see if the Bible has never mentioned to us everything we are trying to know. We are not alone, yet Satan and his bad angels have been trying to present themselves to make you believe in him by mixing truth and lie together. There are no other races coming to get the hearth from us. The landlord"Jesus" is coming to take away these systems we have now to establish his system. Then, Satan will talk to the big authorities to open fire like atomic bombs, missiles, and more... then Jesus will command the clouds to rain fire like it happened before to Sodom and Gomorrah. That will be the end of the rebellion forever. Do you want to know more about the truth? You can contact me at roomy84@hotmail.com

                                                    Reply#57 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:44 PM EST

                                                    Well, god didn't stop with us.But if you were in a science lab full of atheists or one full of believers in God.Who would champion the cause? Who to champion the cause. I go with a room full of atheist scientists.Because if someone flat out discovers life beyond ours, the atheist wouldn't throw the specimen into florin acid.

                                                      Reply#58 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:44 PM EST

                                                      @ Amish77

                                                      that's quiet a generalisation you made there. Not every believer of God is afraid of science. Not every believer of God is a cop-out like the pope either so as to say i believe in creation but i also believe in evolution.

                                                      what about those such as myself who aren't just scientist but also believers in God? Not cop-outs like the pope kind of way but in a way that if someone told me that the time the earth has existed does not coincide with the genesis account, i would not say okay, go evolution, out with creation, i would say, the bible does not say the earth was created in six literal 24 hr days. i would say science and the bible are in harmony, people on either side of the argument are just too close-minded to peer through both without bias to realise this.

                                                        #58.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 2:28 PM EST
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                                                        I suspect NASA is trying to retain interest---for additional funding

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                                                        Reply#59 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 9:46 PM EST
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