Meteorite mysteries go viral

R. Hoover / Journal of Cosmology

An image created using a field-emission scanning electron microscope shows a coiled filament that was found within a carbonaceous meteorite. The scale bar indicates a length of 20 microns.

Last updated 7 p.m. ET March 8:

A NASA researcher's claim that organisms from outer space have been found within a rare class of meteorites certainly sparked a lot of comments over the weekend, from experts on astrobiology and microbiology as well as from the public at large. Some of the commentators have been pretty scathing. David Morrison, senior scientist for the NASA Astrobiology Institute, told me in an e-mail that the paper really should have been published on April Fool's Day. Pharyngula's P.Z. Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota at Morris, said "this work is garbage" and voiced surprise that anyone was taking it seriously.

Now the Journal of Cosmology, which published the much-debated paper by NASA biologist Richard Hoover, has added a batch of commentaries from a variety of researchers and others. Here are some of the folks in the journal's lineup:


  • Cody Youngbull of the University of Arizona's Biodesign Institute notes that Hoover's claims have "gone viral, with major media news sources and Internet blogs all carrying reports of this story. And so too the experts, for whom this information is not new, who have been monitoring the accounts of fossils in these same meteorites since 1961, have something to get excited about. ... This is because, while the elemental and mineral composition data remains identical to prior accepted reports, the morphological data far exceeds anything yet shown on the subject."
  • Harrison Schmitt, the Apollo 17 scientist-astronaut who went from walking on the moon to serving in the U.S. Senate and who is now a researcher at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, says he can't pass judgment on the research itself. Instead, he wonders "why many do not seem to want life to have originated independently on Earth. ... We just have to figure out how it all happened."
  • Patrick Godon, an astrophysicist at Villanova University, says Hoover "presents firm evidence" that fossil microbes are embedded within the meteorites, but he says it's "debatable" whether the microbes came from Earth or from somewhere else in outer space.
  • Elena Pikuta, a microbiologist from the University of Alabama at Huntsville who has collaborated with Hoover, says the study "represents a sensational discovery which will have the potential to change our understanding on the origin of biosphere." The findings from the meteorites were "analyzed and interpreted according to the current standards in science using highly sensitive laboratory techniques," she says.
  • Tulane University physicist Frank Tipler, author of the controversial book "The Physics of Immortality," says that "although Hoover has done as much as is possible with his small sample, we cannot yet conclude that he has indeed seen fossil cyanobacteria."

The journal may have decided against immediately publishing some of the responses it received, based on the missing numbers in the order of the commentaries. As of late today, No. 15 out of 21 was still missing  — and No. 11, attributed to Cardiff University astrobiologist Chandra Wickramasinghe and carrying the subtitle "A Vindication of Panspermia," wasn't yet displayed on the page.

Generally speaking, the journal's commentaries don't provide the kind of hard-hitting criticism that some of the better-known outside experts on microbiology have been voicing in other forums. But they do suggest that Hoover's claims will continue to be debated rather than going immediately into the trash can.

Update for 11 a.m. ET: In a statement distributed by the SpaceRef website, one of NASA's top scientists says the space agency does not support Hoover's findings. Here's the word from Paul Hertz, chief scientist of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington:

"NASA is a scientific and technical agency committed to a culture of openness with the media and public. While we value the free exchange of ideas, data and information as part of scientific and technical inquiry, NASA cannot stand behind or support a scientific claim unless it has been peer-reviewed or thoroughly examined by other qualified experts. This paper was submitted in 2007 to the International Journal of Astrobiology. However, the peer review process was not completed for that submission. NASA also was unaware of the recent submission of the paper to the Journal of Cosmology or of the paper's subsequent publication. Additional questions should be directed to the author of the paper."

Meanwhile, Universe Today's Nancy Atkinson got in touch with Chris McKay, an astrobiologist at NASA's Ames Research Center. Here's a sampling from McKay's comments:

"The implication of these results is that the meteorite hosted a liquid water environment in contact with sunlight and high oxygen. ... Richard Hoover is a careful and accomplished microscopist so there is every reason to believe that the structures he sees are present and are not due to contamination. If these structures had been reported from sediments from a lake bottom there would be no question that they were classified correctly as biological remains."

McKay also acknowledged, however, that the structures could turn out to be "chance shapes" that just happen to look like pieces of an organism. That kind of interpretation was put forward to explain the "nanofossils" seen in a meteorite from Mars back in 1996. Moreover, if the structures do turn out to be cyanobacteria, and they're not contaminants, it'd be hard to explain in biological terms how they could survive on a meteorite in space.

Update for 11:30 a.m. ET: One of the questions that has come up is, "If they really did find alien life, why isn't this research being published by one of the big scientific journals, such as Science or Nature, rather than some little online publication that's on the brink of going out of business?" Lana Tao, managing editor for the Journal of Cosmology, addressed that question in an e-mailed statement:

"The Journal of Cosmology has received e-mails asking why Dr. Hoover's paper was not published in Science or Nature. We are aware that individuals who may or may not be associated with these publications are posting ad hominem attacks, which essentially wish the public to believe that if Dr. Hoover's article was really important it would have been published by these other journals. These are tantamount to schoolyard taunts by jealous children.

"1) First, Dr. Hoover's article was an original contribution and had not been submitted to these two periodicals.

"2) Secondly, both Science and Nature have a nasty history of rejecting extremely important papers, some of which later earned the author's a Noble Prize [sic]. Use Google keywords search for a wealth of info.  Nature magazine admits to this, though they put a positive spin on these rejections.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v425/n6959/full/425645a.html

"3) Editors at Science have been accused of using the Bible to make editorial decisions by scientists such as Dr. Gil Levin (who devised the famous NASA Viking Mars Experiments). 

"4) It is a matter of public record that the organization which publishes science magazine have engaged in illegal anti-competitive practices designed to harm the Journal of Cosmology. The continuing success of JOC poses a competitive threat to their business model. We should not be surprised their 'hand puppets' are complaining that JOC published this article, and not them.

"5) Science and Nature are in the business of making money. The Journal of Cosmology is free, open access, and is in the business of promoting science.

"6) Science and Nature protect the status quo, and have a history of rejecting great papers.

"7) In less than 2 years, the Journal of Cosmology has become one of the top online science journals, with nearly a million hits for January. Our mission is to advance science.

"8) The ad hominem attacks and complaints by those say Dr. Hoover's article should have been published in these other periodicals, and not JOC, are just sour grapes and should not be taken seriously.

"9) We have repeatedly offered to publish critical commentary. We are still waiting."

Update for noon ET: Bad Astronomy's Phil Plait says he's come to the conclusion that "Hoover's claims are wrong," based on many of the factors we've been talking about (criticism of methods from microbiologists, questions about the venue for publication, scant peer review and lack of NASA support, etc.). One of the more interesting angles comes from his e-mail exchange with Penny Boston, an astrobiologist and geologist at New Mexico Tech who is an expert on extremophiles in caves. Her view is that it's virtually impossible to rule out the possibility of earthly contamination just by looking at something in a rock sample, due to the ubiquity of life on Earth. Here's a sample quote:

"Rocks, even the most high density materials, are prone to microfractures. Microorganisms are notoriously splendid at working their way into incredibly minute microfractures. ...

"Showing that the bug that you have actually is NOT a contaminant organism that made its way into a meteorite is a practically unsolvable problem. If you turn up an organism whose chemistry, way of coding information, or something else (besides morphology) indicates that it is significantly (and I MEAN significantly) different from anything that has ever been seen on Earth, THEN you might have a chance of proving this. Pictures of tube shaped structures don’t do it."

Update for 2:40 p.m. ET: Carl Pilcher, director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute, told The Associated Press that the structures seen in the meteorite are most likely earthly contamination. He turned thumbs down on Hoover's claim that they were extraterrestrial organisms:

"There has been no one in the scientific community, certainly no one in the meteorite analysis community, that has supported these conclusions. The simplest explanation for Mr. Hoover's measurements is that he's measuring microbes from Earth. They're contamination."

Update for 4:45 p.m. ET: In a comment appended to Keith Cowing's posting about the study on NASA Watch, Rocco Mancinelli of the Bay Area Environmental Research Institute takes issue with the NASA statement that "the peer review process was not completed" when a paper by Hoover was submitted for publication in the International Journal of Astrobiology in 2007. "The paper was rejected, after peer review," said Mancinelli, who is listed as an associate editor of that journal. (Mancinelli also sent in critical comments that were included in my previous roundup on the "meteorite life" study.)

Update for 9:25 p.m. ET: There's been a lot of back and forth over whether Hoover has claimed to have a Ph.D. NASA Watch's Keith Cowing has put a lot of effort into this — and determined from NASA that he doesn't have a Ph.D., even though the Journal of Cosmology paper lists him as having one. Jennifer Lewter, a teacher who says she's a "big fan of Dr. Hoover's," indicates in her blog postings that he has two honorary doctorates.

Meanwhile, the journal's managing editor, Lana Tao, said in an e-mail that 21 commentaries on Hoover's paper had been received and that all were published, even though two (Nos. 11 and 15) still seemed to be missing at the end of the day. One of the late entries, from Oxford's Martin Brasier (No. 9) cast doubts on Hoover's results. "These samples have been sitting around in laboratories for between 205 and 73 years," he wrote. "It is well known that microbial contaminants can penetrate deep into such rocks, even during storage. The null hypothesis, therefore, is that many of these objects ... may be prokaryotic contaminants." (Cyanobacteria qualify as prokaryotic organisms.)

Tao also fired back once more at the journal's critics, insisting that Hoover's paper went through adequate peer review. Here's a quote from the e-mail:

"As every editor and guest editor will attest, all articles are subjected to peer review. We reject over 30 percent of invited papers and over 70 percent of those which are not invited. Every editor, and guest editor, has had their work subjected to peer review, and every editor has been required to revise their articles after peer review. Even the executive editors have been required to revise their papers after peer review.  We believe in peer review.

"Peer review provides wonderful feedback which can help make a paper better, or which can explain why the paper is hopeless and must be rejected. However, we do not reject great papers because we disagree with them as is the habit of other periodicals.

"Dr. Hoover's paper was received in November. It was subjected to repeated reviews and underwent one significant revision.

"We have published every commentary received, 21 so far. The vast majority support Dr. Hoover's findings.

"The choice is simple: Scientific discourse vs psychosis. Hysteria and lies do not constitute scientific doubt. They are calls for medication."

Update for 7 p.m. ET March 8: Now for the postmortems: Two more e-mails went out from Tao overnight. One was addressed to Paul Hertz, the NASA scientist who implied that the agency could not "stand behind or support" Hoover's claims because they had not been sufficiently peer-reviewed. In the message, which was copied to numerous others including yours truly, Tao said "we will file a formal complaint with NASA regarding your unprofessional, dishonest conduct." She said "over 30 NASA scientists have published with the Journal of Cosmology" and insisted that the articles "underwent rigorous peer review."

In another e-mail message, Tao thanked members of the media "for covering this important story and bringing attention to Richard Hoover's discoveries." She said the journal's owners accepted a buyout offer two weeks ago, before last weekend's flap. "The selling of JOC also means a new managing editor," she wrote. "Therefore with this thank you, I also get to say ... goodbye!"

Today, Columbia Journalism Review's Curtis Brainard recapped the whole saga of the microbes in the meteorite ... and the media ... in a posting to The Observatory blog.  "Anything having to do with extraterrestrials has a way of creating a media frenzy," Brainard observed. "But reporters have obviously learned from frenzies past."

I'm definitely feeling frenzied out, but Tao's earlier reference to Gil Levin's claims about the Viking experiments has reminded me to add that issue to the list of controversial astrobiology results:


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    Reply#63 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 10:55 AM EST

    God created the Heaven's and the earth. We will never find life elsewhere in the universe.

      Reply#64 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 10:56 AM EST

      That's one more rusty nail driven through the heart of Jesus.

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      #64.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:27 AM EST

      we already have d-bag. On mars and i believe on the moon as well.

        #64.2 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 1:32 PM EST

        tKrave-1699850

        True arrogance if I ever heard it. All the rest of heaven was just a sand box for God to play in. One little speck less than a single piece of sand in the Universe and we are the only ones. Absolutes are the response of close minded individuals.

        I suppose your religion is ONLY the true pathway to eternal salvation to? What makes you so right? You can have your faith and that is fine; but being absolute is rather naive.

          #64.3 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 4:26 PM EST
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            Reply#65 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:01 AM EST

            say's you.. show me fact's. Not a fictional book made by man. I'm pretty sure man couldn't fly 2,000 year's ago. Let alone leave this planet. Where do you these so called fact's that we are the only living being's in this entire universe. again show me something that is not in a book made by man

              Reply#66 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:04 AM EST

              As many others have posted on this thread, it is most likely a rock that came from our planet as a result of one of the many meteors that have hit here in the ancient past.

              However, why do so many insist that life can't exist anywhere else in the universe? The universe is massive in a way our brains can't even grasp and there is scientific evidence of there being other planets, like our own, that have what's needed to maintain life. So what makes people think we are so special that we are the only planet/petri-dish that was able to form life?

              And no, I will never buy into the fact that God choose this planet to create this plethora of life putting us at the top only so we can slowly destroy it all.

                Reply#67 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:05 AM EST

                Is anyone surprized when we see design in outerspace? Don't forget, God created it all.

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                Reply#68 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST

                don't forget, you can't prove that!

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                #68.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:01 PM EST
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                Justcallme, you are probably right. There are many who quote scripture, never having fully read it, much less studied it, but don't lump all Christians into the same boat, and don't just spout off the rhetoric that Genesis is full of contradictions. I myself have read and studied Genesis and I would greatly welcome a SPECIFIC example of a so-called contradiction in the book of Genesis. For those of you who commented on my post above who think I am a blind sheep, I do critically think. Which is why I have thought certain holes in the ToE. For example, during all the eons of time we were supposedly evolving, being that most of our life support systems are interdependent on one another survival, what came first? The eye or the eyelid? For those who would say the eye, how did it survive and function without eyelid? The eyelid couldn't have come first because there would have been no need to evolve without the need to protect the eye. Also, how did we survive while waiting on our epiglottis to evolve without choking do death on our own food? How did the male anatomy properly evolve to work with it's female counterpart to reproduce? Or vice-versa? Did the blind forces of evolution know how the sexual organs in other organisms were evolving so it could choose its "design"? There are so many unanswered questions. And I don't pretend to know everything about God either, or how he could have spoken this universe in existence, but even the most hardened atheist must admit eveidence of intelligent design. The evidence is so overwhelming!

                And by the way, "evidence of life" out in the universe does not scare me nor threaten to discredit my faith. For some reason, many think the discovery of alien life would somehow discredit God. Hmmm....

                  Reply#69 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:09 AM EST

                  Courtney, I will say the the eye lid came first because it is made up of skin unlike the eye which is much more complicated. The epiglottis was not needed until we came out of the water and was living on land. We swallowed are food whole and could breath under water so didn't need it then, but once we started eating solid foods then it was made. I think you should pop some pop corn and notice the Cornell how it is small and round then all of a sudden when it reaches that certain temperature it changes shape growing many times larger and much softer. Did you know that it looks like it happens in the blink of an eye, but really there are a million things happening in a millionth of a second. Now try to look on the other side of time a billion years? 2 billion, a million, threw time we were perfected like a bottle of wine so we can thank time just as much as we can thank GOD

                    #69.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:07 PM EST

                    Fish don't have eyelids. Insects also don't have eyelids.... IT'S A MIRACLE!

                    >Ni<

                      #69.2 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:33 PM EST

                      anybody that doesnt believe in evolution do me a favor and humor me for one second. take your shoes and socks off and stand up, put one foot slightly forward and put your feet together.... notice how they line up perfectly? kinda like they used to be stuck together? hmm.... i wonder what that could be from.

                        #69.3 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:42 PM EST

                        the reason an eyelid would have evolved would be because of a mutation that appeared in an individual and that gave him and his offspring an advantage over the others. The more successful an organism is with survival and reproduction the faster his trait will become fixed. All of the phenotypes and genotypes that we have we received from our common ancestors, these adaptations were proven effective by time that is why they still perist.

                        Evolutionists do not have to believe in intelligent design at all since it cannot be tested.

                        I agree that intelligent life from space doesn't have to disprove the theory of god unless of course the aliens look nothing like us. Then who would god have really create in his image them or us?

                          #69.4 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST
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                          After reading a few posts, can someone please explain the connection between finding something in outerspace and God not existing. I believe there to be truth in a number of comments made, its a big universe, we don't know whats out there, there could be something out there. I say if there is, God made it. I love space exploration, and I am a follower of Christ. I'm not sure why we are all arguing.

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                          Reply#70 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST

                          Paul we're all arguing because many of us are ready to pound the last few nails in the coffin of Christianity. It's an embarrassment to future humans and a retardant to philosophy and science. We can't have a reasonable discussion about life in the universe with creationists because we can't get you to accept the Theory of Evolution, an iron clad explanation of a gigantic pile of data.

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                          #70.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:44 AM EST

                          lmao, wow bro thats kinda harsh. and here i am sugar coating it. but paul hal seems more reasonable then most religious fanatics. i dont for the life of me understand how people cant believe in evolution and be religious at the same time. true, it goes against everything they teach you in church, but pastors dont KNOW any more about the subject then amir at the local quickie mart. they read from a script. i beleive in evolution but i also refuse to believe that when i die im just worm food at the same time. its a simple concept really that can easily be explained by science with the whole "energy can not be created nor destroyed" the human body is full of energy... not to mention the mind/our consciousness.

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                          #70.2 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:28 PM EST

                          nomore, the reason people are jumping so much is when they read or hear (life) they think humans. When it is just a micron-ism and not human beings. If the the microbes are lucky enough to evolve several hundred million years they will become an animal then another 5 or 6 million years humans.

                            #70.3 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:36 PM EST

                            A wise man* once told me that most people stopped learning about religion AND science at age 12; hence, the usual maturity level of most posts.

                            *A Jesuit Astronomer, and a Great Guy

                            >Ni<

                              #70.4 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:37 PM EST
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                              This INTERESTING I hope it will not soon become religious MATTER. Well done NASA keep it up.

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                              Reply#71 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:13 AM EST

                              This INTERESTING I hope it will not soon become religious MATTER. Well done NASA keep it up.

                                Reply#72 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:19 AM EST

                                Maybe God did put life on another planet, science has not 'fully' proven it and has not 'fully' dis-proven it. Besides, anything is possible, so we'll just have to wait and see.

                                  Reply#73 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:25 AM EST

                                  (1corinthians2:5)" That your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."

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                                  Reply#74 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:29 AM EST

                                  Oh, I do so like quotes!

                                  “I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.” ~Sir Isaac Newton

                                  >Ni<

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                                  #74.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:40 PM EST
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                                  Once our atmosphere partially liquifies a foreign object by frictionally heating it, isn't the object accessable to the earths intrusion? And when it hits the surface?

                                    Reply#75 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:33 AM EST

                                    YES he is a loving GOD. He also gave us FREE WILL. Our choices will depend on his choice to allow you in or eternity in HELL. I will just say I told you so now and let you decide when the times comes...

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                                    Reply#76 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:36 AM EST

                                    Oopsy daisy MeMe - you seem to be off topic. Please read the article and post ON TOPIC? There's a good lad!

                                    >.Ni.<

                                      #76.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:43 PM EST

                                      allah and mohammed are my homies so i don't get into your heaven i'll be a shoe-in into theirs! Thanks for the offer though!

                                        #76.2 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:15 PM EST
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                                        Wadejs

                                        Fritz-2712801

                                        Why is it always the believers in God have to prove he exist. How about you prove he don't?

                                          Reply#77 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:45 AM EST

                                          we dont have to, science does it on its own

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                                          #77.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:41 PM EST
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                                          This wasn't an article about Hoover's claim, but about the religious and political fervor connected to it. This article should have been renamed "Politics and Religion as Usual." What is it exactly Hoover is claiming, and WHY does he claim it? What was the SCIENTIFIC process he undertook to come to such conclusion? How on Earth will any of us readers come to our own conclusion about Hoover's findings, when you publish this crap??? Think McFly!!!!

                                            Reply#78 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:46 AM EST

                                            Did we read the same article? Or is there a special version just for you?

                                            >.Ni,<

                                              #78.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:45 PM EST
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                                              In the article it sites Cody Youngbull of University of Arizonas Biodesign Institute. Cody Youngbull is actually at Arizona State University's BioDesign Institute. U of A does not have a biodesign institute. That is all thank you.

                                                Reply#79 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:48 AM EST

                                                damn so you are saying that a human could've made a mistake in print... poor bible fanatics.

                                                  #79.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:16 PM EST
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                                                  you know i look at all these posts and i pity all of you! I am 23 and this is the reason why why most of the younger generation doesnt want to be involved in anything. For you "religous" folks you definately speak it but do u follow it? There is no evidence that god exists besides the bible and other spcriptures that have other gods and paintings of old times. On the other hand there is no evidence that aliens exist besides paintings. All of you people are the reason why this world is going to hell because all of you dont want to listen to other peoples opinions and then you do you start fighting about it! You are ridculous. Like i said i pity all of you and hope some of you realize that both parties are wrong!

                                                  When did a metorite become such a big deal about religon? Scientists are trying to figure out if there is life on other planet so maybe we can go there one day becuase the earth is going to hell in a hand basket if you didnt remember....and it turned into about religon? You people are the reason i stopped going to church a while ago. I pity every single one of you because your holyer then thou attitude.

                                                  Thats all im going to say becuase all of you arent worth fighting with.

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                                                  Reply#80 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:48 AM EST

                                                  Agreed! Nobody is going to see eye to eye. Why can't religious folk let anything scientific happen without bringing god into it. Can't you accept that god doesn't have a hand in everything (if there is one) and that people have the ability and knowledge to discover things for themselves.

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                                                  #80.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:14 PM EST
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                                                  To all those non-believers they have a point. After all, life could have originated here on earth so all this info is a hoax. I know it sounds imposible but there is still a possibility life originated here on our planet. Life had to originate somewhere, why not here? could have been 100 trillion years ago out there somewhere or 4 billion years ago here where we stand, whats the difference?

                                                    Reply#81 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:54 AM EST

                                                    If this finding is true, it fits perfectly with Walt Brown's hydroplate theory of the worldwide flood (see his book In The Beginning), which also explains the strange features in asteroids and meteoroids (specifically, their bacteria and high water content). Check it out.

                                                      Reply#82 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:58 AM EST

                                                      when god created adom and eve and the trees were they ageless the earth could be 10000yrs old.

                                                        Reply#83 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST

                                                        no the bible says god created everything within days so the earth could not have been thousands of years old when he created adam and eve

                                                          #83.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST
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                                                          It,s all bull@!$%#........

                                                            Reply#84 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST

                                                            I really don't care either way if god exists or not. But none of you are going to agree. (creationists vs. religious) When it comes down to it, everyone is just repeating what someone else wrote that you happen to believe. Stop trying to convince each other that your way is the only correct way.

                                                              Reply#85 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:03 PM EST

                                                              Smash-3143729 I really don't care either way if god exists or not. But none of you are going to agree. (creationists vs. religious) When it comes down to it, everyone is just repeating what someone else wrote that you happen to believe. Stop trying to convince each other that your way is the only correct way

                                                              Good post, With that said, We will all know who is right real soon.

                                                                Reply#86 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:16 PM EST

                                                                how soon and what theory are you refering to?

                                                                  #86.1 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST
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                                                                  Everybody knows there is life in outer space...haven't you ever seen the movie Independence day? Sheeesh! If it's in movies it must be real.

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                                                                  Reply#87 - Mon Mar 7, 2011 12:18 PM EST
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