
R. Hoover / Journal of Cosmology
An image created using a field-emission scanning electron microscope shows a coiled filament that was found within a carbonaceous meteorite. The scale bar indicates a length of 20 microns.
Last updated 7 p.m. ET March 8:
A NASA researcher's claim that organisms from outer space have been found within a rare class of meteorites certainly sparked a lot of comments over the weekend, from experts on astrobiology and microbiology as well as from the public at large. Some of the commentators have been pretty scathing. David Morrison, senior scientist for the NASA Astrobiology Institute, told me in an e-mail that the paper really should have been published on April Fool's Day. Pharyngula's P.Z. Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota at Morris, said "this work is garbage" and voiced surprise that anyone was taking it seriously.
Now the Journal of Cosmology, which published the much-debated paper by NASA biologist Richard Hoover, has added a batch of commentaries from a variety of researchers and others. Here are some of the folks in the journal's lineup:
- Cody Youngbull of the University of Arizona's Biodesign Institute notes that Hoover's claims have "gone viral, with major media news sources and Internet blogs all carrying reports of this story. And so too the experts, for whom this information is not new, who have been monitoring the accounts of fossils in these same meteorites since 1961, have something to get excited about. ... This is because, while the elemental and mineral composition data remains identical to prior accepted reports, the morphological data far exceeds anything yet shown on the subject."
- Harrison Schmitt, the Apollo 17 scientist-astronaut who went from walking on the moon to serving in the U.S. Senate and who is now a researcher at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, says he can't pass judgment on the research itself. Instead, he wonders "why many do not seem to want life to have originated independently on Earth. ... We just have to figure out how it all happened."
- Patrick Godon, an astrophysicist at Villanova University, says Hoover "presents firm evidence" that fossil microbes are embedded within the meteorites, but he says it's "debatable" whether the microbes came from Earth or from somewhere else in outer space.
- Elena Pikuta, a microbiologist from the University of Alabama at Huntsville who has collaborated with Hoover, says the study "represents a sensational discovery which will have the potential to change our understanding on the origin of biosphere." The findings from the meteorites were "analyzed and interpreted according to the current standards in science using highly sensitive laboratory techniques," she says.
- Tulane University physicist Frank Tipler, author of the controversial book "The Physics of Immortality," says that "although Hoover has done as much as is possible with his small sample, we cannot yet conclude that he has indeed seen fossil cyanobacteria."
The journal may have decided against immediately publishing some of the responses it received, based on the missing numbers in the order of the commentaries. As of late today, No. 15 out of 21 was still missing — and No. 11, attributed to Cardiff University astrobiologist Chandra Wickramasinghe and carrying the subtitle "A Vindication of Panspermia," wasn't yet displayed on the page.
Generally speaking, the journal's commentaries don't provide the kind of hard-hitting criticism that some of the better-known outside experts on microbiology have been voicing in other forums. But they do suggest that Hoover's claims will continue to be debated rather than going immediately into the trash can.
Update for 11 a.m. ET: In a statement distributed by the SpaceRef website, one of NASA's top scientists says the space agency does not support Hoover's findings. Here's the word from Paul Hertz, chief scientist of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington:
"NASA is a scientific and technical agency committed to a culture of openness with the media and public. While we value the free exchange of ideas, data and information as part of scientific and technical inquiry, NASA cannot stand behind or support a scientific claim unless it has been peer-reviewed or thoroughly examined by other qualified experts. This paper was submitted in 2007 to the International Journal of Astrobiology. However, the peer review process was not completed for that submission. NASA also was unaware of the recent submission of the paper to the Journal of Cosmology or of the paper's subsequent publication. Additional questions should be directed to the author of the paper."
Meanwhile, Universe Today's Nancy Atkinson got in touch with Chris McKay, an astrobiologist at NASA's Ames Research Center. Here's a sampling from McKay's comments:
"The implication of these results is that the meteorite hosted a liquid water environment in contact with sunlight and high oxygen. ... Richard Hoover is a careful and accomplished microscopist so there is every reason to believe that the structures he sees are present and are not due to contamination. If these structures had been reported from sediments from a lake bottom there would be no question that they were classified correctly as biological remains."
McKay also acknowledged, however, that the structures could turn out to be "chance shapes" that just happen to look like pieces of an organism. That kind of interpretation was put forward to explain the "nanofossils" seen in a meteorite from Mars back in 1996. Moreover, if the structures do turn out to be cyanobacteria, and they're not contaminants, it'd be hard to explain in biological terms how they could survive on a meteorite in space.
Update for 11:30 a.m. ET: One of the questions that has come up is, "If they really did find alien life, why isn't this research being published by one of the big scientific journals, such as Science or Nature, rather than some little online publication that's on the brink of going out of business?" Lana Tao, managing editor for the Journal of Cosmology, addressed that question in an e-mailed statement:
"The Journal of Cosmology has received e-mails asking why Dr. Hoover's paper was not published in Science or Nature. We are aware that individuals who may or may not be associated with these publications are posting ad hominem attacks, which essentially wish the public to believe that if Dr. Hoover's article was really important it would have been published by these other journals. These are tantamount to schoolyard taunts by jealous children.
"1) First, Dr. Hoover's article was an original contribution and had not been submitted to these two periodicals.
"2) Secondly, both Science and Nature have a nasty history of rejecting extremely important papers, some of which later earned the author's a Noble Prize [sic]. Use Google keywords search for a wealth of info. Nature magazine admits to this, though they put a positive spin on these rejections.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v425/n6959/full/425645a.html
"3) Editors at Science have been accused of using the Bible to make editorial decisions by scientists such as Dr. Gil Levin (who devised the famous NASA Viking Mars Experiments).
"4) It is a matter of public record that the organization which publishes science magazine have engaged in illegal anti-competitive practices designed to harm the Journal of Cosmology. The continuing success of JOC poses a competitive threat to their business model. We should not be surprised their 'hand puppets' are complaining that JOC published this article, and not them.
"5) Science and Nature are in the business of making money. The Journal of Cosmology is free, open access, and is in the business of promoting science.
"6) Science and Nature protect the status quo, and have a history of rejecting great papers.
"7) In less than 2 years, the Journal of Cosmology has become one of the top online science journals, with nearly a million hits for January. Our mission is to advance science.
"8) The ad hominem attacks and complaints by those say Dr. Hoover's article should have been published in these other periodicals, and not JOC, are just sour grapes and should not be taken seriously.
"9) We have repeatedly offered to publish critical commentary. We are still waiting."
Update for noon ET: Bad Astronomy's Phil Plait says he's come to the conclusion that "Hoover's claims are wrong," based on many of the factors we've been talking about (criticism of methods from microbiologists, questions about the venue for publication, scant peer review and lack of NASA support, etc.). One of the more interesting angles comes from his e-mail exchange with Penny Boston, an astrobiologist and geologist at New Mexico Tech who is an expert on extremophiles in caves. Her view is that it's virtually impossible to rule out the possibility of earthly contamination just by looking at something in a rock sample, due to the ubiquity of life on Earth. Here's a sample quote:
"Rocks, even the most high density materials, are prone to microfractures. Microorganisms are notoriously splendid at working their way into incredibly minute microfractures. ...
"Showing that the bug that you have actually is NOT a contaminant organism that made its way into a meteorite is a practically unsolvable problem. If you turn up an organism whose chemistry, way of coding information, or something else (besides morphology) indicates that it is significantly (and I MEAN significantly) different from anything that has ever been seen on Earth, THEN you might have a chance of proving this. Pictures of tube shaped structures don’t do it."
Update for 2:40 p.m. ET: Carl Pilcher, director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute, told The Associated Press that the structures seen in the meteorite are most likely earthly contamination. He turned thumbs down on Hoover's claim that they were extraterrestrial organisms:
"There has been no one in the scientific community, certainly no one in the meteorite analysis community, that has supported these conclusions. The simplest explanation for Mr. Hoover's measurements is that he's measuring microbes from Earth. They're contamination."
Update for 4:45 p.m. ET: In a comment appended to Keith Cowing's posting about the study on NASA Watch, Rocco Mancinelli of the Bay Area Environmental Research Institute takes issue with the NASA statement that "the peer review process was not completed" when a paper by Hoover was submitted for publication in the International Journal of Astrobiology in 2007. "The paper was rejected, after peer review," said Mancinelli, who is listed as an associate editor of that journal. (Mancinelli also sent in critical comments that were included in my previous roundup on the "meteorite life" study.)
Update for 9:25 p.m. ET: There's been a lot of back and forth over whether Hoover has claimed to have a Ph.D. NASA Watch's Keith Cowing has put a lot of effort into this — and determined from NASA that he doesn't have a Ph.D., even though the Journal of Cosmology paper lists him as having one. Jennifer Lewter, a teacher who says she's a "big fan of Dr. Hoover's," indicates in her blog postings that he has two honorary doctorates.
Meanwhile, the journal's managing editor, Lana Tao, said in an e-mail that 21 commentaries on Hoover's paper had been received and that all were published, even though two (Nos. 11 and 15) still seemed to be missing at the end of the day. One of the late entries, from Oxford's Martin Brasier (No. 9) cast doubts on Hoover's results. "These samples have been sitting around in laboratories for between 205 and 73 years," he wrote. "It is well known that microbial contaminants can penetrate deep into such rocks, even during storage. The null hypothesis, therefore, is that many of these objects ... may be prokaryotic contaminants." (Cyanobacteria qualify as prokaryotic organisms.)
Tao also fired back once more at the journal's critics, insisting that Hoover's paper went through adequate peer review. Here's a quote from the e-mail:
"As every editor and guest editor will attest, all articles are subjected to peer review. We reject over 30 percent of invited papers and over 70 percent of those which are not invited. Every editor, and guest editor, has had their work subjected to peer review, and every editor has been required to revise their articles after peer review. Even the executive editors have been required to revise their papers after peer review. We believe in peer review.
"Peer review provides wonderful feedback which can help make a paper better, or which can explain why the paper is hopeless and must be rejected. However, we do not reject great papers because we disagree with them as is the habit of other periodicals.
"Dr. Hoover's paper was received in November. It was subjected to repeated reviews and underwent one significant revision.
"We have published every commentary received, 21 so far. The vast majority support Dr. Hoover's findings.
"The choice is simple: Scientific discourse vs psychosis. Hysteria and lies do not constitute scientific doubt. They are calls for medication."
Update for 7 p.m. ET March 8: Now for the postmortems: Two more e-mails went out from Tao overnight. One was addressed to Paul Hertz, the NASA scientist who implied that the agency could not "stand behind or support" Hoover's claims because they had not been sufficiently peer-reviewed. In the message, which was copied to numerous others including yours truly, Tao said "we will file a formal complaint with NASA regarding your unprofessional, dishonest conduct." She said "over 30 NASA scientists have published with the Journal of Cosmology" and insisted that the articles "underwent rigorous peer review."
In another e-mail message, Tao thanked members of the media "for covering this important story and bringing attention to Richard Hoover's discoveries." She said the journal's owners accepted a buyout offer two weeks ago, before last weekend's flap. "The selling of JOC also means a new managing editor," she wrote. "Therefore with this thank you, I also get to say ... goodbye!"
Today, Columbia Journalism Review's Curtis Brainard recapped the whole saga of the microbes in the meteorite ... and the media ... in a posting to The Observatory blog. "Anything having to do with extraterrestrials has a way of creating a media frenzy," Brainard observed. "But reporters have obviously learned from frenzies past."
I'm definitely feeling frenzied out, but Tao's earlier reference to Gil Levin's claims about the Viking experiments has reminded me to add that issue to the list of controversial astrobiology results:
- Did Viking find life on Mars ...
- ... Or did Viking kill life on Mars?
- Definition of life: Arsenic debate just won't die
- Strange find on Titan sparks chatter about life
- Mars methane mystery: What's making the gas?
- Meteorite study revives debate over life on Mars
- Search for alien life may take giant leap forward
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when god created adam and eve the animals the trees the rocks the fish they werent all ageless why does everybody assume the earth has to be millions of years old ?
Oh boy.
Oh my goodness to people like Alex and Loveless-
As a student taking several science classes right now for a nursing degree, and already having a college degree with other science classes under my belt; Yes, science has working theories that have not yet been proven, but at least they are working on it. Evolution, although called a "theory" is not a theory, it is proven fact, as is "the big bang" and "gravity" and "the atomic theory". As my biology professor says "don't be stupid.. stupid". This theory of other life in the universe may not yet be proven, but this is POSSIBLE evidence, and scientists are working on it to gain more. Do me a favor, and go check out a museum. There's proof all over the place. Creationism, on the other hand, has nothing proven about it. You're going to throw a book at me that was written almost 70 years after Jesus died and try to pass it off as fact? Ok then.. that's like an ongoing game of telephone, stories change. There is nothing fact about it, and my opinion is, anyone who believes a big book of stories (that has been changed and updated over the years) and passes it off as fact, is crazy. I'm a religious person, and I have faith, I'm not saying it's wrong to have faith, but to take some short story from an old book that has no research behind it and no fact to go on? I'm not buying it. After you check out a museum, check out a science class of sorts. Everything is based on research and many many hours and years of experimentation. If you like, you can also read "The Little Book Of Scientific Principles, Theories, & Things". It's $7.00 at your local Barnes & Noble and it is fascinating. It might help you out a little bit. Don't make yourselves look so stupid as to say scientists don't know what they're talking about, or the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That's completely moronic and you need a reality check. This work that was discovered is remarkable whether it's actually proven yet or not.
god, show yourself and settle this all pllllease!!!
Universe is about 13.8 billion years old, and was started by a collision with another universe. just like 2 stars can clash, or a galaxie can swallow up another, like what will happen to us when our closest Andromeda clashes with us in the future. So we could end up being impaled into another planet, that planet settles someone digs up some earth and says hay humans lived on Andromeda who know that? Of course there is other life out there its just positive hitting a negative that cause creation. look at how a child is born one man one woman both true opposites. try 2 men or 2 woman no creation. we are just movement that was thrown through into another universe by a clash, when we run out of energy we die and be rejected back to or normal universe in a black hole. The universe will remain until another clashes into it. now sleep well its all sorted out now. Born reproduce and die. go have a beer enjoy!.
pretty much on the money, your just forgot your purpose it not ah big bang it your test of life, all you said is true, however we are a little more personnel to the creator than that, don't miss ur true meaning of existents.
are you guys jones'n on the carpet weed again?
Jim I'm going to marry your mom and and as your new stepdad ground you off the internet.
i truly and honestly would love to believe in god, but my brain just wont let me.....plus i dont want to be as devestated as i was when i found out santa claus wasnt real
WHAT! Well THAT ruined my day! THANX!
;-P
consider that you have an existence that is self aware... consided the scope of the universe.
it is as childish to have to see God as a person as it is to believe in a real Santa.
the self-serving interpretation of 'objective consciousness' is
at the root of most religions ills.
god and santa claus have the same concept in mind...there is a story, you are told it is true, but the more you think about it, makes no logical sense.....we all just want it to make sense... can someone make it make sense???
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline."
Proverbs 1:7
YEA! More out-of-context quotes! I love this game!
"Flowers are restful to look at." ~Sigmund Freud
>.Ni!<
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Cor 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cor 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Knight who says ni...this is for you to dwell on.
I love this game! Still, do you have anything to say about, you know, THE METEORITE?
>I say "Ni"!<
No...nor do you :)
for the god freeks, The Vatican has there own space observatory and pile millions into it each year. so when the big guy comes back it will not be through the eastern doors. maybe he has come back as a worm and will evolve just so you all get the picture of what he was trying to say, adam and eve did you know adam had a wife before eve, yip she could not stand him talking down to her she bolted into heaven first feminist, leaving god to pull out his magic trick ripping a rib from adam and molding it into a woman?. waw imagine how weird you would feel if you were poking yourself every night , thanks god. Eeewwww.
Your about as far away as anyone could be
…and still be somewhere..
what is bc and ad why is everything centered around jesus something surely happened i do believe it would be hard not to
This debate seems never ending. In the end, for us non-scientists and theologians, it's all about opinion. Thank (whoever is responsible lol) we are free to express them. Too bad some out there think it's "stupid" when these opinions differ from theirs. I've always been surprised at all the "creationists" that, according to their comments, claim to know the mind of their God and claim he DID NOT create life elsewhere. I won't know the answers until this life is over, and if there is a Creator I still won't know them unless they are given to me. And as a final note... I don't ever remember wars being started over science. Now religion on the other hand...
SPIRIT AND TRUTH= CREATOR
POLITICS AND RELIGION= MAN
If we go thru this life confused because of the deceit from the very elite, then it shall be of own fault for not doing our own research. Don't believe the hype believe the truth, which is hard to find.
Remember... a conclusion is what you reach when you stop thinking. After all, the adventure is in the jouney. I find it best to consider, and study the possibilities. Then let someone else do the speculating.
Maybe this discovery has indeed been around since 1961, but how many dinasaur bone were tripped over before someone realized what they were?
a conclusion is what you experience when you figured out something. A scientist always questions even his most solid conclusions.
speculating leads to adventure in your journey....when you trip over ideas do you ever realize what they were?
I should have typed non-scientists and non-theologians
Don't argue with anyone, Lots of the very elite shall be in for ah rule awakening, anyone one that don't believe life is outside of earth is blind. Those are the same folks that followed man when man thought the world was flat. Who's going to explain why earth is the only isolated planet in the universe. Remember The Almighty say he would allow the evil one the rule the earth for ah short while and that foolish time is almost up.
People you shall experience spiritual eternal life on the next journey, so if other folks want to store their belief in this temporary life allow them, one thing for sure they won't be taking a u-haul of all the thing they live for with them. So my people keep believing in Spirituality it the only way to fly.
KISS-KEEP IT SIMPLE SPIRITMAN
@alex-3143215
I applaud your courageousness in debating this article.  As other posters have alluded to, your facts are not based in reality.  Whether you are unintentionally misremembering  what you had learned or if in fact you were really taught those numbers is irrelevant.  The information you reference is wrong, so you'll need to look at what mainstream science says about the age of the earth, universe, and evolutionary theory and then revisit your arguments.
I would recommend an entertaining, intelligent, and easy to read book titled "A Short History of Nearly Everything". Â This book will cover basic evolutionary principles and the like that most anyone can understand. Â For a more thorough, yet still easy to comprehend reading, then I would suggest anything by Stephen Hawking such as "A Brief History of Time". Â For more advanced reading on evolutionary theory, read Richard Dawkins' "The Greatest Show on Earth".
Regardless of whether you truly are 19, or were taught this inaccurate at best information in public school, any one of those books will strengthen your understanding of science, evolution, and the universe. Â Happy Learning!
In the end times there will be a great apostasy, and many believers will fall away from the truth, and God will send them a lie so they will believe in the lie, (The true Test.)
Said Jesus. My main Man, And savior. Geno777
Yo, Geno - did you post to the wrong thread, dude? Do you remember anything about a meteorite? Bacteria? Journal of Cosmology? Is any of this familiar? Or are you just posting randomly? Have I run out of question marks? No?
> I say "Ni"? <
If this rock is from Mars, or any other planet, then how did it reach escape velocity? Is there evidence of a cataclysm that could have produced such a velocity? For Mars, it's 18,000 kph (5km/s).
HEY EVERYBODY! Steve's post is ON-TOPIC! This is how it's done!
Thanks Steve!
> I say "Ni"! <
(Sigh) - glad to see an on-topic post.
Interesting that I have not heard whether or not this particular rock shows any signs of its origins. (I have not yet read the paper; I'll try to get to it tonight. Giving a paper a good read, and checking its references, takes several hours to do properly.)
I do know that we have in our possession about three dozen meteorites that are likely from Mars; I've held one in my (gloved) hand.
Based on the compression artifacts we've seen on these Martian rocks, it seems most likely that a Ginormous Rock From Outer Space (insert echo) impacted Mars, sending lots ejecta at high speed away from the point of contact. Some of that material was moving fast enough to exceed Mars' escape velocity. Some of THAT happened to find its way to Earth, where some of THAT happened to be found and identified.
And one of those martian rocks - ALH 84001 - has a cute worm-like teensy tiny structure inside, which may or may not biological, but is a cute stuffed animal in the JPL Gift Shop:
http://www.countdowncreations.com/cj-images/countdowncreations_1813_7468989
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
;-P hey, anyone else remember glo worms? Totally reminds me of ALH 84001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glo_Worm
Wouldn't it be amazing to find an ejecta rock from Earth on Mars? I would love that. You'd be standing there on Mars, and in your hands would be a rock that in all likelihood would have some sort of bacterial fossil on or inside it. (wouldn't it?)
Hi Michael,
Haven't chatted with you since our Martian Mayor dialogue a way back; your last quip about shiny things left me laughing, but good!
The scenario you describe seems the most likely cause of reaching escape velocity. I'm no scientist, but I can't imagine any geologic forces that would do that, so I already surmised that it would have to be quite an impact from space, as you say.....just going on my gut here....
I guess the only remaining question at this point is my second one: is there any evidence of such an impact that can be seen from earth or any of our exploratory craft?
BTW, I liked your echo insertion.......and I'm definitely into cute....not that I'll ever admit it out loud to the guys at work......manliness, you know......
Hiya Steve!
How is His Most Regal Bad Self, da Mayor? Still green-skinned and long of leg?
As for evidence of REALLY BIG IMPACTS - the winnah and still champeen is the Borealis Basin, covering 40% of the surface of Mars. It's an impact crater that is larger than Asia, Europe, and Australia combined; 8,500 km across.
Mars hold the second place title too - Hellas Basin. In for the Bronze is Luna with the South Pole-Aitken basin (not a source of potential life, but a really big hole in the ground none the less).
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
M & S ...gay super heros............ ta ta daaa
Hey Mike,
Thanks for the info. I looked it up and it makes sense to me. An elliptically shaped impact crater perhaps indicates a high speed impact at a shallow angle, rifling rocks out the other side at escape velocity. Am I off on that? Like I said, I'm no scientist.
8,500 km across? Wow..with a wallop like that I'm surprised that a planet with only a 6,800 km diameter isn't rolling end over end!
Oh, BTW, I told the Mayor what you said, and he's upset. He said we shouldn't cling to the greenskin stereotype when everyone knows that they're purple with pink polka-dots.
////Steve, this is Mayor Glarch. Your own description is not only untrue, but just as stereotyping, so you have no room for relaying a chastisement to Michael; apologize to him this instant! ////
...sorry, Michael........................sheesh.....how do these guys monitor our conversations?
Martian observation program:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwxc_zLH560
Checked it out....I should've figured that little toot was behind it.....
i dont get the concept of god anyway....so now this life is just a game, and we have to play it right so he will accept us into his "club"....sounds like a control freak to me...i mean he should know that if he made sure people knew he existed, that the people in this world may live differently so we go to heaven....that just sounds funny....but no, it has to be done w/ faith, and we are all part of gods experiment to see who will believe in him with no proof whatsoever....that makes no sense....
lets ask the devil what he thinks about all this....
he says you owe him money...that he lost $ selling your soul at his last yard sale.
Thank you for this summary. I've added a link to it on my own blog post on this topic.
http://bhousley.wordpress.com/germs-from-space/
Bill, nice blog and all, but that is more like advertising of your own blog post rather than a comment about this article.
oh..... another sneaky blogger.
Wow, for a minute there I thought I had somehow stumbled onto the comments on one of MSNBC's political blogs. I have never, ever seen such virulent, hateful statements on a science blog during the brief time I have been reading the science blogs here on MSNBC.
Sheesh people get a grip.
I guess this proves one thing for sure. If ET ever shows up and says "Hi" it's really going to threaten organized religion. Look at the responses on this blog if you have any doubt. We have a controversial "discovery" of a microscopic "worm" inside a chunk of meteorite. You would have thought we were discussing the validity of the second coming or something.
This is a very interesting report and the comments from fellow scientists regarding whether it's earthly contamination or not is to the point. Earthly contamination is the most likely answer, I agree, but it is very interesting to consider the possibilities if it is NOT of earthly origin. Likewise, I agree it is virtually impossible to prove one way or the other. But it does open the window to possibility.
Man, I pity ET when he gets here. He's going to have to overcome a lot of prejudice and ignorance before he can even get a room at the Motel 6.
You folks need to get out more. Try having an idea occasionally or using your head for something other than a hat-rack.
As always, very well said Skip!
I think even without bringing religion into it, if aliens ever show up it is going to threaten a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Even if they show up and say hi and attempt to prove their benevolence I still think people are going to go crazy.
I personally can't imagine how earthly contamination show up and look like what we are seeing in this picture.
Oooh. A skip groupie. lol
Skip gets my vote, too. His posts are so dreamy.
Until someone can prove this is, indeed, life and this life did not originate on Earth it's all conjecture. Which begs the question, how the hell would you be able to know if something is NOT from Earth?
A few possibilities:
~ No DNA, or a different DNA-like structure
~ Right-handed amino acids (chirality)
~ Life based on something other than the six basic elements of life on Earth (carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, and sulfur) (see also a possible 7th element: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/16/5665338-weird-life-researchers-answer-critics)
I gotta run, but that is where astrobiologists would start.
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
mostly it has to do with stuff in the rock that could only have originated somewhere other than earth.
@michael there are examples of reversed chirality locally.
Reversed chirality - there are? I'll go have a look. Thanks!
michael I think your refering to chirality bias - the tendency to travel right or left in the helix.
i think chirality in most examples have to do with having opposite features - like two arms etc. somthing I would expect to hear from a chemist. do you lean in that direction cause thats where my head starts to hurt.
Alex, my IQ just dropped 10 points from reading your posts. Get a refund on your education or hit the library hard!
whats all the excitement...did we expect green cheezit?
Mr Pink,
Where is it? I can't find the passage you're talking about.
Actually any non-meteorite rocks from the same area will also display similar evidence for the same microbes. So if one believes that 'alien life' should be unique, then logically we could all jump to the conclusion that the 'alien life' found in the meteorite is now spreading beyond the confines of it's vehicle of arrival. And then if we can find similar evidence of these microbes all over the planet, we should then be able to surmise that the 'alien life' has the ability to transport itself to anywhere on the planet. So the real issue is that we have an illegal alien problem of critical proportions here. And these meteorites are seeding all the planets in the solar system in hopes of proliferating this 'alien life'.
Or the other arguement is that this meteor is further proof that human life originated from outer space. And these meteorites are seeding all the planets in the solar system in hopes of proliferating this 'human life'.
Or it could just be that the meteorite, left languishing on Earth waiting to be found, was contaminated by life on Earth. Nah, this scenario is not interesting at all. Better to choose one of the first two scenarios.
Stephen, the tough part here is that proposed microbe is fossilized, so all that they are seeing is structure. NASA has been distancing themselves since this is getting attention that it is. I don't see this report as conclusive, just an opening of a door. I do see more credibility of amino acids being in the meteorite or generated on entry and then being deposited into the ocean, in a sense, seeding the ocean with the precursors of life.
U should pray and ask Jesus so that he can open your eyes so u would understand him and ask him for forgiveness for your sins. When u do this really mean it with all your heart and soul. Give it a try and see what happens.