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This 1 inch by 1 inch microfluidic chip is part of the SETG instrument prototype. Tiny channels feed in the samples to be analyzed and control the fluidic circuitry on the chip. Blue light excites fluorescent dyes that help identify DNA within 3072 cubic chambers, each about the width of a human hair, or one billionth of a liter in size.
Life as we know it has a common ancestor — somewhere. Is it a Martian? A new device under development to fly on a future mission to Mars to find and sequence bits of genetic material could provide an answer, according to MIT and Harvard scientists.
"Given what we know about meteorite impacts and transfer of material between Earth and Mars, we are hoping that life may in fact exist on Mars and that it may in fact be related to us," Christopher Carr, a MIT research scientist who is leading the project, told me today.
The idea that life originated on Mars goes back before the Viking missions of the 1970s, which looked for signs of life on the Red Planet. It got a boost in the 1990s with the discovery that microbes could have hitched interplanetary rides on meteorites between the two planets during an intense period of bombardment between about 3.5 and 4 billion years ago.
"About a billion tons of rock probably went between Earth and Mars, most of that actually went in the Mars-to-Earth direction — about a 100-fold higher amount," Carr noted. "So that makes it more likely that if we find something on Mars that's related to us that it actually came from Mars to Earth."
Device development
Carr and colleagues have identified regions of genome sequences that are conserved across all known life forms on Earth and are working on a device that will look for bits of this genetic material on Mars.
The device, called the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Genome (SETG), will isolate any RNA or DNA from bits of soil, rock and ice brought up from the subsurface of Mars, amplify it to the point it could be detected and then sequence it.
So far their prototype consists of the micro-fluidic chip in the image above which can amplify and detect bits of genetic material. In the next few years, they aim to add components to isolate the genetic material and sequence it as well.
"Our hope is that in the next two years, we will have a system that we can put in soil at the beginning and get sequences out at the end," he said. The aim is for an instrument that weighs about 2 kilograms and is roughly the size of a shoebox.
Finding genetic material on Mars that shows a link with life on Earth would allow scientists to learn more about how we are related and when the split occurred. As for whether the scientists will have any luck finding genetic material that shows we're all Martians remains an open question.
"I think it is entirely possible," Carr said. "I wouldn't necessarily say probable. Bottom line, if it is there, we want to find it. It may or may not be."
More stories about life on Mars:
- Did probes find Martian life … or kill it off?
- Were life's building blocks picked up on Mars decades ago?
- Next up for Mars missions: the search for life
- Early cave bacteria hints at Mars life
John Roach is a contributing writer for msnbc.com. Connect with the Cosmic Log community by hitting the "like" button on the Cosmic Log Facebook page or following msnbc.com's science editor, Alan Boyle, on Twitter (@b0yle).
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So while there is still absolutely no evidence of an life on Mars, these scientists plan to send this machine to Mars to sift for signs of non-existent life. Might as well send a child to a inland quarry with a pail and shovel and have them search for sea shells. And whose money are they planning to use for this ?
I don't believe the government needs to fund this project either. They need to find some dreamers to invest in this project who can afford a no return on their money.
Stephen, you are repeating your post from comment #23.2. I suppose that means that I may repeat my response?
We have a lot of those shells here in Michigan; about as far "inland" as you can get. Let me know where we can send a Petoskey stone, Michigan's state rock, found by my daughter at an inland quarry, which is actually fossilized coral from when Michigan was covered by a warm sea.
We find fossilized sea shells by the ancient seashore all the time, too. I've also found seashells on the tops of mountains in Colorado..
The lesson - don't assume that there are no shells at that inland quarry until you've looked.
I've got a $50 wager that we'll find evidence of life on Mars by 2050. (But I didn't bet $100.)
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
Then I guess their plan won't work because the won't be able to get a positive DNA sample from a fossil.
I believe we were taking about finding relative existing life, sorry if my analogy was a distraction to you.
As for your wager, I can never collect because I'll be dead by 2050.
I highly doubt, Stephen J. Bauer, that there are any active plans for sending this machine anywhere. It's too early in the development phase. IF it get's sent one day, it will almost certainly be sent as part of a package, one instrument out of many, on a larger probe/mission that will have many simultaneous objectives and goals at once.
From the looks of it, this device is so small and compact that it will end up being a teeny, tiny, minuscule portion of the total budget of any mission it gets included on.
It might even get piggy-backed onto a mission that will return a net financial gain.
(And don't completely discount being alive in 2050. Advances in medical science might yet save you! Even if it may not be likely, it isn't impossible.)
Per your statement- "From the looks of it, this device is so small and compact that it will end up being a teeny, tiny, minuscule portion of the total budget of any mission it gets included on."
Sounds like your guessing. All I know is that once a NASA program or project loses federal funding, it folds. And considering all the projects they have, they are a constant drain on the economy. Piggy-backing on another federally funding project doesn't make it a financial gain.
As for being alive in 2050, I've seen people that old and I don't think I want medical science to keep me alive at that age.
This is a neat idea, but still sounds a little Earth-centric to me. Why don't we start thinking about multiple life origins instead of thinking it all happened at once?
It is a simple question of practicality. Sure we can acknowledge the possibility of multiple life origins. But until we actually find a sample of life with a separate origin to Earth's, we will have no access to any information about how that separate origin came about, how it is different from Earth's origin, and how it is similar. (And even with all the life of earth available to us to study, we're still probably decades away from gaining a decent idea even of how earth life originated.)
Without that information, we'd have no idea what to look for, what sorts of instruments we'd need, what sorts of places we should search, etc. We'd really be blindly stabbing in the dark, hoping to get lucky, and that really WOULD be a waste of money and resources.
We're look first for earth-like life because that is the kind of life we know best how to recognize. The hope is that eventually we'll find alien life that is similar enough to earth's that we are able to recognize it, but also different enough, with a separate origin, that by studying it we'll be able to expand our understanding of how life arises to encompass both examples of life. Then, armed with that knowledge, we can then go on the look for and hopefully find a third example, of yet more different life, and on and on, expanding our understanding a little each time.
A +1 answer, amphiox!
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@ DT-1756124
"Why don't we start thinking about multiple life origins instead of thinking it all happened at once?"
WHY?
Because all life was started on this planet by Jesus in 6 days.
The reason why these so called "scientists" are looking for life elsewhere, and then try to say it started there instead of being created here on earth, is because they are coming against Jesus Christ's testimony of Him creating life here on earth.
If these "scientists" can prove there is life on Mars, then they can CLAIM life began there instead of here on earth.
This type of "science" is NOT science at all.
Jesus already gave us His record of how He created everything in the most basic way He could where we could understand it.
When Jesus returns to earth He will teach us further about How He created everything.
The next step that evolutionary "scientists" are going to take will be to lie and say that they have found life on Mars.
Then they will say that life originated on Mars and not on earth.
Many people will believe these lies and then defend it, even when they will NOT have any true scientific evidence to support those lies.
One of the worst antichristian attacks against Christ, Christians, and the Holy Bible has been evolution.
And, an evolutionary child dogma attached to that antichristian attack is the false concept and false idea that there are multiple life origins.
THAT is a deceptive idea.
Deceptive because there are already multiple life origins: i.e. - fish, land animals, birds, and all kinds of microbes.
Each of these all have origins on earth, but they all have different origins in different places on earth, such as water, land, and other substrates or elements.
This entire article reveals how people will take a lie, mix it with their imaginations, then steal other people's money to try to prove that the Holy Bible is wrong and untrustworthy.
A great example is how people have personally attacked me in the comments section relating to this article because I reject the false concept of evolution and instead defend Christ Jesus creating everything here on earth that exists here on earth!
Scientists these days support and defend RIDICULOUS THEORIES which are NOT proven!
Then, these same scientists treat these UNPROVEN THEORIES as if they are scientific fact!
The new religion of the day is evolutionary theory and theories themselves, and this religion is so well guarded that its believers are spending billions of dollars just to try to prove that their theories are more right than God's testimony of how He created everything!
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, and is in no way true and honest science!
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I would like to start off by saying that I am in no way trying to belittle your beliefs.
Evolution is a widely excepted theory because there are massive amounts of evidence to support its validation. There are stones and fossils that we are able to determine are millions, and sometimes billions, of years old. There are even fossils of creatures that do not exist in today's times.
This is not meant to be rude, I'm just curious as to how you can explain, according to your beliefs, the existence of such artifacts.
Wow so many of you never would have made it through economics. The money doesnt just get glown to mars, it does effect our economy, it does create jobs, it does generate tax revenue. All these things it does already. There are high-tech jobs created for research, engineering, and support of all those facitlities. Literally 10s of thousands are directly employed by NASA.
Vast quantities of this research that goes into making devices for space flight get directly put into use here on earth. We improve our systems of medicine, minitiarize electronics, create better and more power efficient cooling systems, research renewable power generation and all that directly improves our lives here on earth. ..and as a side benefit we get to continue acting like a first rate world power instead of some backwater country afraid of its own shadow and too impudent to move beyond its borders.
It is just 'robbing Peter to save Paul'. If you mount the debt, then paying the debt should be your priority. Raising taxes to pay against both debt and these off the wall ideas is taking money from those who might actually need the money because their job doesn't pay enough.
So unless your smart enough, or sly enough, to con the government out of money, this really doesn't benefit a large part of the population. As for the product, they are building something that will drain dollars for years to come without producing any real profit. Wish someone would pay me to be non-profitable.
The total amount of money spent yearly on space exploration is peanuts, Stephen J. Bauer. Less then a cent on the dollar of total expenses. More is paid in a single week in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You could cancel the entire space program and shunt down all of NASA and you'd do absolutely nothing for the debt.
I could also add that the US wastes more money in sloppy tax collection each year than is spent on the entirety of space exploration.
It isn't a zero-sum game. You don't have to "rob Peter to save Paul". The generation of new knowledge creates new opportunities for producing wealth that did not previously exist. You invest in Simon so that both Peter and Paul get paid more.
(And yes, like all investments you aren't guaranteed return on your money every time. But that just means you have to spend it wisely. Not that you shouldn't spend at all.)
Then why should NASA ask for hand outs all all if they don't need it. NASA can do what PBS does and have a telethon to raise money for their projects. NASA has to depend on charity because there is little or nothing to invest in - no profit.
I have to say that Carr's state "So that makes it more likely that if we find something on Mars that's related to us that it actually came from Mars to Earth," is not a good one, because there are two probabilities we have to factor in here, not just one (and one of these we do not have a good idea about at all, yet).
Even if 100 times more material goes in the Mars-Earth direction than vice versa, if the conditions on early Earth were 200 times more likely to result in abiogenesis, then it would still be twice as likely that life spread from Earth to Mars and not vice versa. Similarly, even if the likelihood of life arising on each planet is equal, if the environment of early earth was more friendly/fertile such that the average density of life on earth was 200 times greater than that of Mars, that would mean 200 times more life per unit mass of material moving in the earth-mars direction, and (very roughly) 200 times greater chance for at least some of that life surviving the whole duration of the trip, and again we end up with a 2 fold greater chance that life traveled Earth to Mars and not Mars to Earth.
Since we don't really have any clue yet on the relative likelihood of abiogenesis in the early environments of Earth versus Mars, nor any clue as to the relative fecundity of either early planet's environment, right now we can't actually use these arguments to determine whether Earth to Mars transfer or life or Mars to Earth transfer of life is more likely.
There is, however, one way we could settle the question of Earth to Mars versus Mars to Earth (assuming we find life there that really is related to our own). It would require finding enough genetic material to do a reasonable comparison of evolutionary relationship.
If we find that all the Mars samples are more closely related to one branch of Earth life (say a group of bacteria) than that branch of Earth life is related to another branch of earth life (say the Archaea, or the Eukaryotes), then it would be virtually certain that the Martian life must have had an ancestor that lived on Earth, some time after that branch of earth life (ie the Bacteria) split from the other branches of Earth life, and then somehow managed to travel from Mars.
If on the other hand we find that among the Mars genetic samples there is a great diversity of different types, and all of earth life turns out to be more closely related to one of them that that one is related to the other forms of martian life, then we would know that it was the reverse scenario that happened.
This is exactly the same sort of genetic data that is used to show that the ancestor of the New World Monkeys traveled from Africa to South America, and not the other way around.
(Another way we would know is if we managed to date the martian life (if it is a fossil and not an extant living organism) and found that it was much older than the oldest earth life. But earth life is so old, and appeared on earth so soon after the formation of both earth and mars, that this would be very unlikely - even if it were true, the dates would be so closely bunched together that we'd probably not be able to conclusively resolve which one was older for certain)
Per your comment - " It would require finding enough genetic material to do a reasonable comparison of evolutionary relationship."
Kind of getting ahead of yourself. It's like saying if I could see further than the CMB field, then I could prove the universe is large than we percieve it to be.
Other than the science fiction curiousity, why does it even matter if life once existed on Mars ? To say 'I told you so' to those who scoff at the idea of life outside the planet Earth. No amount of proof is going to sway most people; hell, it has taken forever to get people to just agree on the concept of evolution. And there are still factions that will argue against it. Some don't even believe that man has ever stepped on the moon.
Or perhaps you believe that it would prove that if life had existed, then maybe we can succesfully colonize Mars. Is it really worth trying to terraform another planet that is impossible to survive on without technological intervention. Or does it make much better sense to apply such technology to or home planet's deserts and other inhospitable environments. There is still plenty of land to reclaim - So if you believe you can make it on Mars, then make it work on Earth first.
The probability of dropping in on a DNA sample is astronomical (pun intended). It's a waste of money.
Read Zecheriah Sitchin's Earth Chronicles and get to know who the ancestors are--and enrich your life-knowledge to levels where no (wo)man has gone before. The 12th Planet should be required reading--to get these earthly heads out of the mud.
"Read Zecheriah Sitchin's Earth Chronicles..."
no, thank you. there is so much wonderful REAL science out there. i don't feel the need to waste my time reading crappy made-up fantasy bull-roar that is pretending to be real.
"The 12th Planet should be required reading..."
no. it shouldn't. it should be used as cat litter. humanity's origin is via ancient astronaut? (didn't that die off with the "chariots of the gods" fantasy?) the sumerians are really extra-terrestrials from fantasy planet nibiru? that planets collide over and over again (and yet have nearly perfectly circular orbits today). and so on and so on....
sitchin is bad science fiction. it's ghastly horrible science.
> I say "Ni"! <
WOW. HAHA. So far you all have some good points. Money does stay here, knowledge is vital. BUT you must feed the starving man prior to teaching him to fish... otherwise he is too weak to learn anything...just a thought.
This entire article is the most idiotic imaginary "scientific" garbage I have ever read.
It attempts to justify evolution which has no merit or fact or truth at all.
Either God created everything in 6 days, or evolution panned out over a very long time.
Only one can be right, but not both.
I will trust Jesus Christ's Words He has given us in His Holy Bible before I will trust antichristian/antijewish scientists bent on trying to disprove God's Genesis Account of Creation.
Scientists are now so frustrated that their theories of evolution are failing and falling apart that they are ushering in ridiculous articles such as the one above!
Scientists hope they find any kind of life just so they can claim that the Holy Bible and the Genesis Record given by God is false and untrustworthy.
What a futile endeavor!
The next step the scientists will take is lying that they actually have found life on another planet or on a meteorite.
Oops, I think there is a scientist making false claims like that already!
LOL
Idiots, idiots, and more idiots!
there you go mic, i fixed that for you.
you're welcome
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> I say "Ni"! <
@Saintly - If you are going to trash science, at least get your religous facts correct. I don't believe Jesus was around at the time of genesis. God yes, Jesus no. And not to split hairs, but man wrote Genesis modelled after the Assyrian's view of creation. You might want to learn more about other religions and history of that time and place. Plus your assualt on scientist's is unwarranted, the science community is trying to just understand that which is around us. Are ther flaws in science sure? They know this and continue searching for the right answers. But I would guess that you cannot accept the Bible or Christianity has flaws? So who is the elitist of ignorance or is it just idiocy or is it simple narrowmindedness and heavy bias?
Very interesting Saintly....
I've re-read all the above comments, and re-read the article, and no where do I see any attack on faith.
And yet, out of the blue, you feel fit to drop in with a completely irrelevant tirade. You see this great conspiracy of people working against you, when frankly they never gave you any mind at all.
This is a science discussion. Do you have anything to say about the science?
You may be surprised to learn that there are a great many scientists who are people of faith.
You are looking for a fight where there is no need to argue.
Cheers! ~Michael (AFM*Radio / Astronomy.FM)
Indeed - I have friends who are Christian, so I understand youur pain. Sorry this arguement doesn't work. Religion and Science have always been at odds for control of the populace since their inception. They can't agree with science without losing control of their followers. Religious dogma has reigned for ages on the basis of rules that are above reproach; to question is to not have faith. How much opposite can you be; 'To question' is the whole point of science. Give it up; you're only preaching to the choir.
@ Knight Who Says Ni
You are the typical idiot I'm talking about!
You have no real evidence for supporting your defense of evolutionary theories, so you use my originality to try to come against me!
I believe that is plagiarism!
HHMMM
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@ TReed
I'm NOT trashing science.
I'm trashing that unscientific trash called evolution.
@ Michael (Astronomy.FM)
Jesus is God, and THIS is fact.
Jesus was God long BEFORE He BECAME flesh and walked among us.
God (Jesus) INSPIRED and DIRECTED His Children to record His Words, His Will, His Desires, and His Truth.
Anytime anyone supports ANY PART OF EVOLUTION in ANY WAY it is a direct assault and a direct attack on God's TRUTH concerning the Genesis declaration God has given us.
And, my comment was NOT a tirade.
@ all of you who support and defend the false "science" of evolution,
The definition of "SCIENCE" is "TO KNOW".
Since Jesus has made HIMSELF KNOWN He is the heart of science; the heart of TRUE SCIENCE.
You so called "enlightened ones" who mock Jews, Christ, Christians, Christianity, and the Holy Bible ...
Evolution is NOT true science.
Evolution is based upon UNPROVEN THEORIES!
Now, let us go to the beginning ...
Evolutionists THEORIZE how everything began, without ANY evidence at all.
As a matter of fact, these so called evolutionary scientists don't even know where the universe begins nor where it ends, and yet they still try to say they know the date of the universe by its SIZE.
In any case ...
Evolutionists say some gases somehow came together, and then these gases just happened to be as such that they were somehow capable of causing an explosion, which somehow expanded in a microsecond of time, and then somehow developed complex galaxies and star systems, which somehow developed planetary systems, which somehow developed an ecosystem, which somehow developed life organisms, which somehow without any direction developed even more complex life forms.
Your entire unscientific theories take more faith than believing the TRUTH Jesus Christ gives in His Holy Bible concerning Creation!
You have no scientific basis with which you can rightly believe in your unscientific evolutionary theories.
You even use BLIND FAITH in lies and deceptions with which you use to support your empty claims.
You defend your evolutionary garbage with NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL.
Jesus, on the other hand, does communicate with those of us who have asked Him to come and live within us.
We came to Jesus in Blind Faith.
However, once we BECAME Christ's Children we no longer had to deal with blind faith to trust and believe in Jesus Christ.
HOW?
Jesus Christ COMMUNICATES with us directly, and confirms His Own KNOWLEDGE within His Holy Scriptures.
Therefore, we have Christ PERSONALLY communicating with us directly and abstractly in His Word/Scriptures and by His Own Mind and Spirit.
This FORM of SCIENCE is far more reliable than baseless and unproven theories designed by both satan and the imaginations of mankind.
Since Jesus is God, and Jesus gave us His Holy Bible, and Jesus confirms both His Self and His Holy Bible, I will trust in Him, even though I cannot see Him physically.
Jesus does indeed give me visions and dreams, and that which Jesus KNOWS is far more scientific than any nonsense evolutionists can dream up.
Jesus even let me see His SHAPE and GLORY in Heaven.
Jesus let me see Him on His Throne, and He is NOT someone you want to come against!
You CLAIM this article above is scientific and NOT religious.
Well, you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
Your entire evolutionary base is religious!
This entire article PURPOSEFULLY attacks and misaligns itself against God's Record He has given us in Genesis.
Also, the evolutionary doctrines and dogmas are the belief in a power that is MINDLESS.
Evolutionists have faith in an entity that has no form nor a mind, and yet "it"somehow started everything by making certain the exact gases would be combined to start the very first explosion.
Your god is evolutionary THEORY and evolutionary DOGMA.
Your god has no mind and yet it somehow directed these gases to come together.
The question I have for YOU is this ...
Where did these gases come from in the first place?
Also, as one last defining point ...
Jesus started creation by creating WATER.
In fact, the earth existed as a formless mass of WATER before anything else existed in time and space.
The earth existed BEFORE the sun or the moon or any other thing in time and space.
Just these facts alone reveals that the article above was NOT just innocent science.
The article above is a direct attack on the Genesis Record.
If you don't want to be given the TRUTH on the internet, then I suggest you try to NOT post articles which are lies and deceptions.
Why?
Because Jesus KNOWS what you are up to and He will send those of us who are His Children to bring to light the Truth against your evolutionary lies.
You people watch and believe too many distorted programs in school, on tv, and on the internet.
You watch way too many tv programs from the discovery channel, the history channel, and the national geographic channel.
You need to start reading the Holy Bible and you need to start asking Jesus to PERSONALLY reveal His Truth to YOU.
Once YOU do these things you will finally see the Light, and you will KNOW that evolution is just another god for you to believe in, worship, and defend.
I would much rather trust in a GOD Who communicates with me, than a false mindless god that offers no true answers!
I would much rather defend Christ Who communicates with me, than defend a mindless god who has no real way of ensuring that what it teaches is true, right, correct, or truly scientific!
Believing in evolution is no different than believing in a false pagan god of wood, stone, or metal.
The difference being your evolutionary god has removed these elements from itself!
Now, all you have is a false notion and a false concept.
Your mindless god is far worse and far more weak than any other pagan god in history, and you are so blind that you cannot even see this for yourselves.
NEWSVINE TRIAGE = BLACK TICKET
(Post by a known troll; beyond resuscitation / not worthy of response)
Bold text in no way denotes a tirade, nor does it denote yelling.
Placing the text in two different conversations is not trolling, and this I have done.
One comment in reply to personal attacks, and one comment to the audience as a whole.
You have proved that my comments are the truth, or you would not be trying to take cheap childish shots at me with half truths and lies.
For you to use the tactic of calling another a troll when that person has not been a troll is in fact showing that YOU are the troll.
Therefore, you have proven to be a troll.
The article comes against the creation record.
My comments correct the false religious notion of evolutionary theory which this article defends.
If this were not true then why title an article "Device may find Martians in us all"?
If it were not true that this article supports evolutionary theory, then why was the first sentence, "Life as we know it has a common ancestor — somewhere."?
This article attacks the creation story just by its title and by its first sentence.
My comments are in line with this article.
But, because my comments are stronger and have a more sound scientific base you have to cry "TROLL" and then LIE by saying my comments are NOT in line with the article.
That is a cheap and childish personal attack, which proves my comments even further!
LOL
@Saintly - By your rant, passionate as it was, has some serious errors. You say Jesus is God. Jesus was the son of God, by his own words. To even put God into human form, you have aligned God with all those Gods of the pagans, polytheistics and monotheistics that have done the same. Any human that makes God humanistic devalues God.
"Your mindless god is far worse and far more weak than any other pagan god in history, and you are so blind that you cannot even see this for yourselves" this statement is so infantile. My dad is you stronger then your dad. My mom cooks better than your mom. I'm afraid that you some serious doubts about your own beliefs, such that, that you react so loudly against those who do not comply to your beliefs.
When it comes to understanding a scientific theory, specifically evolution, your lack of knowledge of subject makes any statement directed to this topic as irrelevant. Evolution, as it is based on evolutionary biology has nothing to do with the creation if the universe, that lies in physics. It also has nothing to do with creation of life, evolution biology is trying understand the genetic morphisms that make significant changes in a species that take advantage of different aspects of their environment such that it gives them a survival edge over other variants of the same species. No where in the theory does attempt to explain creation. But based on the language that you use, I would guess an evangelical or possibly southern baptist.
"In fact, the earth existed as a formless mass of WATER before anything else existed in time and space" I understand you are trying to explain based on Genesis, but please explain how the core of the Earth received its molten nickel and iron core from the "formless mass of water"? And before time and space? I know your religous beliefs will go against this, but what proof do you have? The first phrases of Genesis has no proof. If I said that God said that the Earth was pink goo, would you believe it. Words without evidence are just words and faith is needed. I don't have a problem with having faith, but this last comment is embarassing.
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@ TReed
Scripture tells us clearly that Jesus is God, and that Jesus created EVERYTHING.
I guess John 1:1,3, 14 is not scripture to you.
Let us see:
John 1:1,3,14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ...
You try to sound as if you know something about Christ Jesus when you actually are very ignorant and idiotic concerning Christ Jesus.
Ignorant, because you don't study the Bible for YOURSELF to learn what is actually written therein.
Idiotic, because you use your ignorance as your evidence, which is not evidence at all.
I never said MY GOD was better than your god.
I said your god of evolution is far weaker than other pagan gods of wood, stone, or metal.
Weaker, because the god of evolution has nothing but theoretical nonsense as its base and defense.
Again you lie and make deceptive statements to try to sound so all knowing.
I never ever went into detail about what I know about evolutionary theories.
The beginning of the universe is only one COMPONENT of evolutionary theory.
It does NOT matter what branch of science it is in, because it is only one component of the scope of evolutionary theories as a whole.
And, how do YOU know what material is at the center of the earth?
Who told you that they have drilled to the center of the earth?
Who told you that THEY KNOW what material is at the center of the earth?
Again, your own ignorance and idiocy is astounding!
You try to sound so intellectual, and in the process you make a complete fool of yourself!
LOL
And, again, you make comments claiming YOUR KNOWLEDGE of the Holy Bible and now about the Genesis account, and then you foolishly think I am going to concede to YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
You are out of your mind.
Again, you are going by someone else's CLAIMS about the Bible without even reading it yourself.
The genesis account starts like this:
Genesis 1:1-10
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Verse 2 is very clear that the earth existed as a formless mass of water.
Verses 6-8 tell us that God created the SKY and the AIR after He created the water of the earth.
Verses 9-10 reveal that God created dry land, made it appear, and then forced the waters to stay in ONE PLACE which He called SEAS.
Now that you have been shown to be nothing more than a beast bent on slamming the Holy Scriptures of God, you should apologize to everyone for trying to act as if YOU had personally read the Holy Bible for yourself, when in fact you were running your mouth about what someone else told you, which was clearly not even first hand reading either.
No one on this earth KNOWS what the center of the earth is made of, because no one except God has reached the center of the earth.
No one but God KNOWS how big the center material of the earth is because NO ONE HAS EVER DRILLED THAT FAR!
Now, stop using baseless evolutionary theories taught in schools!
LOL
None of those THEORIES have ever been proven!
All those theories are completely baseless and unproven.
But, as I have said before, the power and belief system of evolution is so well guarded that governments and corporations are spending billions of dollars just to try to prove the Holy Bible is false!
But, their evolutionary theories are failing and falling apart, and these so called scientists hope more than anything that they can prove life exists outside of this planet.
Then, they will lie and say that there is life on other planets, and that THAT life is where we came from.
Go teach your evolutionary crap somewhere else, because I will keep on defending the Truth of Jesus Christ!
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@Saintly - Mark 1:1 -
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
John 1:18 -
18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Need I say more. So are you to counter the word from the Bible? The verses you post speak of God not Jesus.
I wonder how you deal with the fact that the Roman Emperor Constantine ordered the religous leaders to the Council of Nicaea in which the first Bible was organized and then published? This is squarely a discussion of Bible verses now and can you have civil discourse about the Bible? Remember you attacked a science discussion, I responded to your statement that Jesus was not God and all you have done is attack science, in which your ignorance of science is evident, and yet to defend your statement of Jesus being God you respond with verses from Genesis that speak only of God, not Jesus the son of God. I'm not attacking your faith, I disagree with your interpretation of Jesus and I wonder if you can discuss the Bible in an intelligent manner.
Thank you for posting that very scripture, for in IT is the very evidence and TRUTH that Jesus is God Almighty.
Please take notice the present tense that Jesus told John to write, and also notice that the scriptures are very specific using the word "WHICH" instead of just "Whom".
It is evident that Jesus wanted John to be very precise.
The two points of that scripture which antichrist's miss are the focal points in that scripture, and NOT the points you pointed out.
What you pointed out is obvious simplicity, but it pales compared to the two messages it points to the most.
Let us read that scripture, AGAIN, and watch as Jesus opens up your eyes:
John 1:18, No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
"; The only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, "
Only God can be in two places at the same time, and this scripture backs up, supports, and defends every single scripture before it, and offers an explanation as to HOW Jesus Christ is God.
While Jesus was on earth as a man, Jesus also simultaneously existed inside the bosom of the Father.
John records that the God Who created everything, and Who became flesh and walked among us, was also in heaven inside God's bosom at the same exact time He was on the Earth inside His Own flesh.
Jesus anticipated that antichristians and nonchristians would try to IGNORE the scriptures which clearly say that Jesus is the God Who created everything, so He had John 1:18 written exactly THAT WAY, KNOWING BEFOREHAND that people like you would try to use it to try to discredit Jesus Christ's divinity.
Jesus was already aware that you would reject the Truth that He is God, so He put that little gem of a scripture as a test to show me and other Christians exactly where YOUR HEART IS relating to what YOU BELIEVE about Jesus Christ.
But, you did NOT just stop THERE, you went even further down that antichristian road by falsely accusing me that I have attacked a discussion, that I have attacked science, and by falsely assuming I am not discussing the Holy Bible is an intelligent manner.
It is clear that you can dish out false assumptions and false accusations against me, but you yourself cannot handle the Truth and the Facts given to you about Jesus Christ being the God Who has created everything.
You use false accusations, lies, and deceptions to attack me personally, and then you try to use scripture to invalidate Christ being God Almighty.
This proves you don't just reject Jesus Christ, but you also reject the scriptural facts concerning Jesus Christ.
You will halfheartedly believe the scriptures which say Jesus is the Son of God, but you stop there because you don't want to enter into a real personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
This is why you defend and support your mindless god(s) of theories.
As far as Constantine ...
Constantine was most likely NOT a True Christian, because he CLAIMED Jesus told him to kill others and conquer them.
Jesus has NEVER told His Christian Children to kill anyone, nor has He told His Children to conquer anyone.
Jesus NEVER told His Christian Children to usurp HIS AUTHORITY as Constantine is recorded doing.
Constantine most likely died a pagan who could not let go of polytheism.
As far as me attacking the discussion going on ...
I started my first comment coming against the unscientific theories of evolution.
Once I was personally attacked through false accusations I defended myself as Christ moved me to do so.
I also did NOT ever come against the science of this chip.
I came against evolution and evolutionary theories.
As far as you attacking my faith ....
You can NEVER attack my faith, because you can NEVER touch it!
You are attacking Jesus Christ, not me.
Jesus is God Almighty, and just because you reject the scriptures which clearly show us that Jesus is God Almighty does NOT mean that you can make it possible for Jesus to cease being God Almighty.
You can reject Jesus being God ALL DAY, but your unbelief can NEVER make Jesus lose His Divinity.
The article above is a direct attack on Creation, because it dares to make a false and deceptive statement and then dares to ask the question, "Life as we know it has a common ancestor — somewhere. Is it a Martian?".
Now, the question is ...
"Why are you defending evolution?"
And ...
"Why do you keep lying about me and Jesus Christ by using partially quoted material which purposefully leaves out comments and statements as a tool to try to deceive people about the facts?"
Jesus has already used me to bring to light the fact that you are lying and deceiving, and yet you still insist on trying to keep lying and deceiving further.
Is it possible that you cannot stop lying and deceiving because you don't have Christ living inside of you to keep you on an honest path?
@Saintly - So because I intrepret the scriptures and the world around differently from you, that I am lying and deceiving? And yet, you have a complete and perfect understanding of the meaning of the Bible and God. You must truly be amazing. And the ability to judge us, you must have special access to God. And I'm sure that all other religions are absolutely wrong and they are all going to hell. There have been more devout and more knowledgeable individuals in the past, present and future who will argue over the same intrepretations of Bible as we do. And yet, I am the evil one that disagrees with you on the point of difference between God and Jesus.
Saintly Mic, I would like to point something out. You wrote:
"Please take notice the present tense that Jesus told John to write, and also notice that the scriptures are very specific using the word "WHICH" instead of just "Whom".
It is evident that Jesus wanted John to be very precise."
I hate to break it to you, but Jesus did not instruct John to choose "WHICH" over "Whom". Jesus and John did not speak and write in King James English. Jesus spoke and wrote in Aramaic, and maybe Hebrew, Greek and some Latin, but almost all of the New Testament was originally written in Greek long after Jesus' death.
Through many translations, you have what you read as the Bible, which may or may not actually be translated they way it was meant when written. First translated from oral history until it was written in Greek or some other language, then transcribed (no photocopiers back then) by hand numerous times, translated to Latin at some point, also hand transcribe immeasurable times, eventually translated to German, English, etc.
Also, many items written were written by people pushing their own agenda, but we won't go there today.
So, please, when taking specific words as literally transcribed by John as Jesus dictated, keep that in mind. Also keep in mind that there are several verb tenses that are present in Greek and other languages that do not occur in English. Also, several words get translated...as best as the translator can. There are, I believe, 7 words throughout the Bible that are translated to English as "Hell", however each of these words has a seperate meaning, one simply meaning "hole in the ground", i.e. "grave". Also, many of these words were deliberately translated to "Hell" based on Roman Catholic Doctrine of the time, not because "Hell" was the best word choice for the translation. (OK, so I went there).
The Bible, though in some cases may be accurate, has been translated are rewritten in such a way to push so many peoples agendas that getting down to what was really meant is near impossible at this point. The "Hell" thing, though only one example of translation problems, is also interesting because "eternal damnation in hell" is actually a pagan notion that was integrated with Christianity, like the Christmas tree and St Valentines love day.
@Saintly - I've done some further investigation for my own curiosity and I would like your explanation or interpretation of these findings. You use John 1:1 as part of your argument that Jesus is God. In Aramaic, the word memra is used and in Greek, was translated to Logos and then eventually to English. The following excerpt from Wikipedia decribes the various uses of the worg Logos :
In ordinary, non-technical Greek, logos had a semantic field extending beyond "word" to notions such as, on the one hand, language, talk, statement, speech, conversation, tale, story, prose, proposition, and principle; and on the other hand, thought, reason, account, consideration, esteem, due relation, proportion, and analogy.[1]
Despite the conventional translation as "word", it is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis (λέξις) was used.[7] However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb legō (λέγω), meaning "to count, tell, say, speak".[1][7]
Philo distinguished between logos prophorikos (the uttered word) and the logos endiathetos (the word remaining within).[8] The Stoics also spoke of the logos spermatikos (the generative principle of the Universe), which is not important in the Biblical tradition, but is relevant in Neoplatonism.[9] Early translators from Greek, like Jerome in the 4th century, were frustrated by the inadequacy of any single Latin word to convey the Logos expressed in the Gospel of John. The Vulgate Bible usage of in principium erat verbum was thus constrained to use the perhaps inadequate noun verbum for word, but later romance language translations had the advantage of nouns such as le mot in French. Reformation translators took another approach. Martin Luther rejected Zeitwort (verb) in favor of Wort (word), for instance, although later commentators repeatedly turned to a more dynamic use involving the living word as felt by Jerome and Augustine.[10]
In English, logos is the root of "logic," and of the "-logy" suffix (e.g., geology).
In further readings, Memra and Logos, was described as a mediator between God and his people, such as, angels.
Our time is out of context with the times at which the different books of the Bible was written and translated, that to have a better understanding what was written and what it meant back then, you have to put yourself into the framework into which it was originally written. Understanding the changes in meanings of words as they are translated is crucial. Without doing so, diminshes your knowledge that you think you have on this topic. Believing something is true does not make it true. To believe in something, it is to feel comfortable in the belief for your individual psyche. If it is uncomfortable, it can become traumatic and your brain will deny the trauma, it will shut it out as a survivial response. To convince other people that your belief is right, you have to prove it through facts and logic or reasoning. So far, you have given only scripture of a book that has been translated multiple times, with no reference into the original meanings of that time. Unless you can counter the definitions I have given for the words actually used in the orginal texts, you have not given me enough evidence to persuade me that my interpretation is not correct. By your own words : You use false accusations, lies, and deceptions to attack me personally, and then you try to use scripture to invalidate Christ being God Almighty. The fact is, the scriptures contradict themselves, just google "Jesus is not God". I have counted 14 verses that dispute that Jesus is God, of course, all of this depends on interpretation, because who here can read Aramaic, the language in which the books of the New Testament was written. Before and during Jesus' time, there were different variations of Hebrew and Aramaic being spoken, so there were targums or translation texts written to translate from Hebrew to Aramaic for the Old Testament.
What it comes down to is, where is the business case that presents this enterprise as worth undertaking ? It appears to be that the government provides a blank check to NASA. The a bunch of scientists get together to vote on what question they want answered, and thenr they fund it. I saw this movie; it was 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. NASA needs to start being more fiscally responsible.
@ Knight Who Says Ni
You are the typical idiot I'm talking about!
You have no real evidence for supporting your defense of evolutionary theories, so you use my originality to try to come against me!
I believe that is plagiarism!
HHMMM
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@ TReed
I'm NOT trashing science.
I'm trashing that unscientific trash called evolution.
@ Michael (Astronomy.FM)
Jesus is God, and THIS is fact.
Jesus was God long BEFORE He BECAME flesh and walked among us.
God (Jesus) INSPIRED and DIRECTED His Children to record His Words, His Will, His Desires, and His Truth.
Anytime anyone supports ANY PART OF EVOLUTION in ANY WAY it is a direct assault and a direct attack on God's TRUTH concerning the Genesis declaration God has given us.
And, my comment was NOT a tirade.
@ all of you who support and defend the false "science" of evolution,
The definition of "SCIENCE" is "TO KNOW".
Since Jesus has made HIMSELF KNOWN He is the heart of science; the heart of TRUE SCIENCE.
You so called "enlightened ones" who mock Jews, Christ, Christians, Christianity, and the Holy Bible ...
Evolution is NOT true science.
Evolution is based upon UNPROVEN THEORIES!
Now, let us go to the beginning ...
Evolutionists THEORIZE how everything began, without ANY evidence at all.
As a matter of fact, these so called evolutionary scientists don't even know where the universe begins nor where it ends, and yet they still try to say they know the date of the universe by its SIZE.
In any case ...
Evolutionists say some gases somehow came together, and then these gases just happened to be as such that they were somehow capable of causing an explosion, which somehow expanded in a microsecond of time, and then somehow developed complex galaxies and star systems, which somehow developed planetary systems, which somehow developed an ecosystem, which somehow developed life organisms, which somehow without any direction developed even more complex life forms.
Your entire unscientific theories take more faith than believing the TRUTH Jesus Christ gives in His Holy Bible concerning Creation!
You have no scientific basis with which you can rightly believe in your unscientific evolutionary theories.
You even use BLIND FAITH in lies and deceptions with which you use to support your empty claims.
You defend your evolutionary garbage with NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL.
Jesus, on the other hand, does communicate with those of us who have asked Him to come and live within us.
We came to Jesus in Blind Faith.
However, once we BECAME Christ's Children we no longer had to deal with blind faith to trust and believe in Jesus Christ.
HOW?
Jesus Christ COMMUNICATES with us directly, and confirms His Own KNOWLEDGE within His Holy Scriptures.
Therefore, we have Christ PERSONALLY communicating with us directly and abstractly in His Word/Scriptures and by His Own Mind and Spirit.
This FORM of SCIENCE is far more reliable than baseless and unproven theories designed by both satan and the imaginations of mankind.
Since Jesus is God, and Jesus gave us His Holy Bible, and Jesus confirms both His Self and His Holy Bible, I will trust in Him, even though I cannot see Him physically.
Jesus does indeed give me visions and dreams, and that which Jesus KNOWS is far more scientific than any nonsense evolutionists can dream up.
Jesus even let me see His SHAPE and GLORY in Heaven.
Jesus let me see Him on His Throne, and He is NOT someone you want to come against!
You CLAIM this article above is scientific and NOT religious.
Well, you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
Your entire evolutionary base is religious!
This entire article PURPOSEFULLY attacks and misaligns itself against God's Record He has given us in Genesis.
Also, the evolutionary doctrines and dogmas are the belief in a power that is MINDLESS.
Evolutionists have faith in an entity that has no form nor a mind, and yet "it"somehow started everything by making certain the exact gases would be combined to start the very first explosion.
Your god is evolutionary THEORY and evolutionary DOGMA.
Your god has no mind and yet it somehow directed these gases to come together.
The question I have for YOU is this ...
Where did these gases come from in the first place?
Also, as one last defining point ...
Jesus started creation by creating WATER.
In fact, the earth existed as a formless mass of WATER before anything else existed in time and space.
The earth existed BEFORE the sun or the moon or any other thing in time and space.
Just these facts alone reveals that the article above was NOT just innocent science.
The article above is a direct attack on the Genesis Record.
If you don't want to be given the TRUTH on the internet, then I suggest you try to NOT post articles which are lies and deceptions.
Why?
Because Jesus KNOWS what you are up to and He will send those of us who are His Children to bring to light the Truth against your evolutionary lies.
You people watch and believe too many distorted programs in school, on tv, and on the internet.
You watch way too many tv programs from the discovery channel, the history channel, and the national geographic channel.
You need to start reading the Holy Bible and you need to start asking Jesus to PERSONALLY reveal His Truth to YOU.
Once YOU do these things you will finally see the Light, and you will KNOW that evolution is just another god for you to believe in, worship, and defend.
I would much rather trust in a GOD Who communicates with me, than a false mindless god that offers no true answers!
I would much rather defend Christ Who communicates with me, than defend a mindless god who has no real way of ensuring that what it teaches is true, right, correct, or truly scientific!
Believing in evolution is no different than believing in a false pagan god of wood, stone, or metal.
The difference being your evolutionary god has removed these elements from itself!
Now, all you have is a false notion and a false concept.
Your mindless god is far worse and far more weak than any other pagan god in history, and you are so blind that you cannot even see this for yourselves.
you're funny.
three huge blocks of crazy talk text; repeated twice repeated twice, all in bold print, and not at all addressing the actual article .
i say tirade. i say ni.
NEWSVINE TRIAGE = BLACK TICKET
(Post by a known troll; beyond resuscitation / not worthy of response)
Bold text in no way denotes a tirade, nor does it denote yelling.
Placing the text in two different conversations is not trolling, and this I have done.
One comment in reply to personal attacks, and one comment to the audience as a whole.
You have proved that my comments are the truth, or you would not be trying to take cheap childish shots at me with half truths and lies.
For you to use the tactic of calling another a troll when that person has not been a troll is in fact showing that YOU are the troll.
Therefore, you have proven to be a troll.
The article comes against the creation record.
My comments correct the false religious notion of evolutionary theory which this article defends.
If this were not true then why title an article "Device may find Martians in us all"?
If it were not true that this article supports evolutionary theory, then why was the first sentence, "Life as we know it has a common ancestor — somewhere."?
This article attacks the creation story just by its title and by its first sentence.
My comments are in line with this article.
But, because my comments are stronger and have a more sound scientific base you have to cry "TROLL" and then LIE by saying my comments are NOT in line with the article.
That is a cheap and childish personal attack, which proves my comments even further!
LOL
@Saint - "But, because my comments are stronger and have a more sound scientific base". I don't have a problem with anyone's opinions and beliefs, and I truly enjoy discussing and laying out logical arguments with links and references to back up my comments. In this light, where are your arguments to go along with premises? To have a sound scientific base, you state your premise followed by logical arguments, methodology and facts. This goes through a peer review and repeatable results to verify the original data.
Just to let you know, this device of which this article is about, is an automated version of a DNA microarray. And God forbid that anyone in your family ever have to deal with cancer as I have had to do with my parents, then this technology could save your loved ones or my loved ones life. But if your so tied up in your particular view of Christianity to slam such technology, due to a journalist's poor choice of words, to the point that if this rhetoric scared these scientists from working on things like this, because it doesn't agree with your interpretation of the Bible, is basically sad. May God help you.
I never slammed this technology.
Quote where I slammed this technology.
I slammed unproven evolutionary theories being used to push this technology.
Why must you lie to make yourself seem so right?
Also, below here is my evidence for defending Christ.
Where is YOUR evidence in defending evolutionary theory?
And don't lie and try to say you don't defend evolution, because that is exactly what you are doing.
@ TReed
Scripture tells us clearly that Jesus is God, and that Jesus created EVERYTHING.
I guess John 1:1,3, 14 is not scripture to you.
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Let us see:
John 1:1,3,14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ...
You try to sound as if you know something about Christ Jesus when you actually are very ignorant and idiotic concerning Christ Jesus.
Ignorant, because you don't study the Bible for YOURSELF to learn what is actually written therein.
Idiotic, because you use your ignorance as your evidence, which is not evidence at all.
I never said MY GOD was better than your god.
I said your god of evolution is far weaker than other pagan gods of wood, stone, or metal.
Weaker, because the god of evolution has nothing but theoretical nonsense as its base and defense.
Again you lie and make deceptive statements to try to sound so all knowing.
I never ever went into detail about what I know about evolutionary theories.
The beginning of the universe is only one COMPONENT of evolutionary theory.
It does NOT matter what branch of science it is in, because it is only one component of the scope of evolutionary theories as a whole.
And, how do YOU know what material is at the center of the earth?
Who told you that they have drilled to the center of the earth?
Who told you that THEY KNOW what material is at the center of the earth?
Again, your own ignorance and idiocy is astounding!
You try to sound so intellectual, and in the process you make a complete fool of yourself!
LOL
And, again, you make comments claiming YOUR KNOWLEDGE of the Holy Bible and now about the Genesis account, and then you foolishly think I am going to concede to YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
You are out of your mind.
Again, you are going by someone else's CLAIMS about the Bible without even reading it yourself.
The genesis account starts like this:
Genesis 1:1-10
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Verse 2 is very clear that the earth existed as a formless mass of water.
Verses 6-8 tell us that God created the SKY and the AIR after He created the water of the earth.
Verses 9-10 reveal that God created dry land, made it appear, and then forced the waters to stay in ONE PLACE which He called SEAS.
Now that you have been shown to be nothing more than a beast bent on slamming the Holy Scriptures of God, you should apologize to everyone for trying to act as if YOU had personally read the Holy Bible for yourself, when in fact you were running your mouth about what someone else told you, which was clearly not even first hand reading either.
No one on this earth KNOWS what the center of the earth is made of, because no one except God has reached the center of the earth.
No one but God KNOWS how big the center material of the earth is because NO ONE HAS EVER DRILLED THAT FAR!
Now, stop using baseless evolutionary theories taught in schools!
LOL
None of those THEORIES have ever been proven!
All those theories are completely baseless and unproven.
But, as I have said before, the power and belief system of evolution is so well guarded that governments and corporations are spending billions of dollars just to try to prove the Holy Bible is false!
But, their evolutionary theories are failing and falling apart, and these so called scientists hope more than anything that they can prove life exists outside of this planet.
Then, they will lie and say that there is life on other planets, and that THAT life is where we came from.
Go teach your evolutionary crap somewhere else, because I will keep on defending the Truth of Jesus Christ!
I have a question, where do you get the power to judge your fellow man over their beliefs, knowledge and thoughts. Did God make you our judge? Or do you think, that since you are a Christian, does that make you more knowledgable or better than us? I don't think so, you are defending your own ignorance of not only science but even of the Bible. Your assumptions are hugely wrong. I read the Bible, I would discuss with my grandfather who was a preacher and bible scholar when I was younger. You are just regurgicating the interpretations of your pastor or priest, without question of understanding.
You say these theories are baseless and unproven, but you give no counter argument on why its baseless. You simply quote a small snippet of scripture from a single book without corresponding data which is baseless. That is why believing in God is based on faith, a transcendental entity can never be proven. Evolution is not God, but who's to say God didn't create evolution. It may not be written in the Bible, the authors of that time didn't know of such things, doesn't mean these things didn't exist.
Here is a definition of science, "to know" is not the same as "reliable knowledge" :
Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.[1][2][3][4] An older and closely related meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained (see "History and etymology" section below).[5] from Wikipedia.
Do have any testable information to prove that science is wrong? Can you make predictions with repeatable solutions? Can you present the actual writings of the apostles? Can you read the actual Aramaic to understand the original writings in the truest context?
You say Jesus talks to you, hopefully this metaphorical, because if you are saying that Jesus talks to you directly, then you might want to seek some professional help for delusions with possible association with schizophrenia. I do detect a little paranoia. But you could have that demon exorcised, if your Catholic.
You're an idiot. A delusional one at that. I highly doubt you ever read a science book or observed how theories are based. If you hear voices, you need mental health help asap.
Scientific EVIDENCE abounds. We can see whats in the core of the Earth my sonar/radar. Everytime an Earth Quake occurs, we monitor the pressure waves going through the Earth. We know this to be true, We replicate it over and over. We can see what the universe is made of by running a Spectrum analysis.
Only a cock sure LAZY christian or religious fanatic would roll over and say "god did it".
SaintlyMic, maybe you are the one to finally answer my question?
The universe, you will agree, is too complex to have come into being by chance. Life on Earth is too complex to have come about by chance. Man is too complex to have come about by chance, and must have been created by God. God is very complex. Who created God?
Please answer. I never get an answer to this perplexing question.
@SaintlyMic - I am a devout Christian and I believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. However, I believe that the evolution process is a viable theory for for the growth of a species, the two are not incompatible. Let me ask you a question. Did God create trees or seeds? How about birds or eggs? Last, what about man or baby? He created all of these with a growth cycle but they were already grown. What makes us think he did not do that for species as a whole or even for world growth?
I believe that God created the world as it says in Genesis but He created the world already grown with a "natural" growth cycle of billions of years. I believe he also did this at an evolutionary level as well meaning that while he created man he also set in place a system that would have allowed man to come into existence through the evolutionary process.
In our quest to keep our faith we CAN NOT, I repeat, CAN NOT, allow ourselves to ignore science that we see as anti-christian because, it all came from God and will eventually come back to Him. To try and deny science that we feel threatens our faith is to admit that our faith is weak, not the faith of God but our own personal faith. If the science is wrong prove it scientifically, but don't bash it or use the Bible to try and disprove it. The Bible, while I believe it is accurate, is not a book of science but of faith and faith is the substance of thing hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.
@Autobot - I must applaud you as to understanding the differences between faith and science, and in some cases the similarities. Saintly, however, will disagree and say you are not a true Christian. Based on what they have written, I would say they are Evangelical, due to the literal interpretations they make of the Bible. I don't disagree with the message of Bible, I believe the Bible's interpretation of the natural world is very dated and wrong. But I have no problem living with both, faith and science. Sometimes in science in you need a little faith in God that you are doing the right things.
@Saintly:
"This entire article is the most idiotic imaginary "scientific" garbage I have ever read.
It attempts to justify evolution which has no merit or fact or truth at all.
Either God created everything in 6 days, or evolution panned out over a very long time.
Only one can be right, but not both.
I will trust Jesus Christ's Words He has given us in His Holy Bible before I will trust antichristian/antijewish scientists bent on trying to disprove God's Genesis Account of Creation."
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Why assume the central goal of to disprove dogma? I used to be Christian and it is all to easy to frame science as simply the nemesis of faith. But that is not necessarily or even generally true. Science, as a general endeavor, is involved in collecting data, determining fact and then forming theories or explanations that incorporate the body of data/fact.
"Scientists are now so frustrated that their theories of evolution are failing and falling apart that they are ushering in ridiculous articles such as the one above!
Scientists hope they find any kind of life just so they can claim that the Holy Bible and the Genesis Record given by God is false and untrustworthy.
What a futile endeavor!
The next step the scientists will take is lying that they actually have found life on another planet or on a meteorite.
Oops, I think there is a scientist making false claims like that already!"
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One of the most frustrating aspect of dialogue between science and faith - at least from my experiences - is not that there is little in common between the two. Rather, it is the extreme misunderstanding about the claims of each that exists and "pre-polarizes" the discussion. With all due respect, from my experience it is the area of faith that the most to catch up on in terms of science. One simple case in point is the frustrating perception by creationists that the word "theory" - as applied in the scientific community - is somehow meant to take on the same sort of meaning or connotation as when the word is used in common usage or in other contexts. A scientific theory is not simply armchair conjecture or thoughts simply formed out of intellectual "vapor" with the goal to simply challenge faith claims. A scientific theory - at least one with any intellectual worth and truly open to peer review - is one that attempts to take into account the accumulation of data, observations and facts gleaned from research and find a system or dynamic that makes sense of the data. You cannot have a truly scientific theory without a tonnage of observation and data. And, scientific theories are called theories because any self-respecting scientists knows that with more discovery come the distinct possibility and subsequent mandate to modify the theory to incorporate new data. The theory of evolution is still considered THE working theory of biogenesis by the scientific community because, while is continually revisited/modified/expanded the general concept has help up to a significant period of additional discovery and rigorous introspection by the scientific community. To call evolutionists idiots only betrays your own incredibly ignorant understanding of science. I don't think you are an idiot, Saintly. But I do think you are ignorant of what science is really about. You may not agree with the theories, but the facts and data do remain. As such, from your point of view it is God who placed that data there. So maybe God has some explaining to do.