Texas Gov. Rick Perry says climate scientists are manipulating data.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry stirred up a fresh scientific spat today with his claim that scientists were manipulating their data about climate change "so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects" — a view that serves to highlight the differences among the GOP presidential candidates on science-related issues.
During a town hall meeting in Bedford, N.H., here's what Perry, one of the front-runners for the Republican nomination, had to say about the state of climate science:
"I do believe that the issue of global warming has been politicized. I think there are a substantial number or scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects. I think we're seeing, almost weekly or daily, scientists are coming forward and questioning the original idea that manmade global warming is what is causing the climate to change. Yes, our climate has changed. They've been changing ever since the earth was formed. But I do not buy into a group of scientists who have in some cases [been] found to be manipulating this information. ..."
The comments are pretty much in line with what Perry has said in the past. He's playing off the suspicions raised by the "Climategate" e-mail controversy that broke in 2009. That flap revealed that the most outspoken climate researchers are all too human when it comes to talking about their intellectual adversaries in private — but in the end, they were mostly cleared of scientific malfeasance (although one published graph was judged to be "misleading").
The criticisms of Perry's view follow well-worn tracks as well: On the left-leaning Think Progress blog, Texas A&M climate researcher Andrew Dessler is quoted as saying that none of the credible atmospheric scientists in Texas agree with the governor. "This is a particularly unfortunate situation, given the hellish drought that Texas is now experiencing, and which climate change is almost certainly making worse," he said.
Think Progress goes so far as to list more than three dozen scientists who disagree with Perry.

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Texas Gov. Rick Perry extends his arm toward a lab worker during a tour of Resonetics Laser Micromaching in Nashua, N.H., on Wednesday. Resonetics CEO Chris Banas is to the left of Perry, and Cliff Gabay, the company's president, looks on from the right.
The Texas governor's views come in contrast with those of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, an early front-runner in the GOP presidential field. Romney has said "I believe, based on what I read, that the world is getting warmer" and added that "I believe that humans contribute to that."
As a result, he said at a New Hampshire town hall meeting in June, "it's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may be significant contributors." However, he said any measures to stem greenhouse gases should be applied on an international basis. He opposed putting a carbon cap-and-trade system into place because it would put America at a competitive disadvantage.
The Perry vs. Romney climate split may be the latest and buzziest difference to emerge in the race for the GOP nomination, but when you look closely at the candidates, you'll see other differences as well. Here's a rundown on four of the leading candidates, related to four hot-button scientific topics: climate policy, evolution education, stem-cell research and science funding:
Climate policy:
We've already summarized Perry's and Romney's views.
U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota opposes climate change legislation, saying that carbon dioxide is a "harmless gas." During a town hall meeting in South Carolina this week, she said that all the issues surrounding climate change would have to be "settled on the basis of real science, not manufactured science."
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas has called the concern about Earth's changing climate "the greatest hoax I think that has been around for many, many years, if not hundreds of years," based on the Climategate reports (see above). He's opposed to energy subsidies as well as government efforts to control greenhouse-gas emissions. "Pollution can be better taken care of under a private market system, under private property," he said.
(President Barack Obama, by the way, favors policies to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, but the current "climate" in Congress has severely limited any progress on environmental initiatives.)
Evolution education:
Perry says he is a "firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution." Intelligent design is the view that the complexity seen in nature is best explained as resulting from the efforts of an intelligent designer — for example, God, or an alien civilization. But in Perry's case, certainly God.
Romney said during his presidential campaign that he believes "God designed the universe" and that he believes God "used the process of evolution to create the human body." As Massachusetts governor, he opposed the teaching of intelligent design in public-school science classes. "The science class is where to teach evolution, or if there are any other scientific thoughts that need to be discussed," he told The New York Times. "If we're going to talk about more philosophical matters, like why it was created, and was there an intelligent designer behind it, that's for the religion class or philosophy class or social studies class."
Bachmann says "evolution has never been proven" and believes that intelligent design should be taught alongside the evolutionary view of biological change. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide," Bachmann told reporters at the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans in June.
Paul says "nobody has concrete proof" for evolutionary theory, although he acknowledges that "it's a pretty logical theory." In his view, the intelligent-design concept has more to do with personal beliefs rather than science. "In a libertarian society these beliefs aren't nearly as critical. When you have government schools, it becomes important," he said. "'Are you fair in teaching that the earth could have been created by a creator or it came out of a pop, out of nowhere?' In a personal world, we don't have government dictating and ruling all these things; it's not very important."
(Obama favors the current legal view that teaching the intelligent-design concept in public-school science classes would be unconstitutional.)
Stem-cell research:
Perry is opposed to human embryonic stem-cell research, which involves destroying human embryos to harvest the therapeutic cells. But he's a strong supporter of less controversial adult stem-cell research. In fact, he was a beneficiary of such research when he received an infusion of his own lab-grown stem cells to speed recovery from a back injury.
Romney has voiced support for embryonic stem-cell research in the past, but he says his position has changed over the years, and he now opposes such research.
Bachmann is opposed to federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, but favors less controversial initiatives that use adult stem cells or reprogrammed cells (also known as induced pluripotent stem cells or iPS cells).
Paul says the federal government should have no jurisdiction over the conduct of embryonic stem-cell research. He has, however, sponsored legislation that would use tax credits to encourage less controversial stem-cell studies, as well as the establishment of stem-cell and cord-blood banks.
(Obama has favored expanded federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research — an issue that has been tied up in lengthy legal proceedings. Most researchers hope that reprogrammed cells will eventually provide a way out of the moral and ethical controversy.)
Science funding:
Federal funding for the National Science Foundation has become something of a hot potato in some GOP quarters, in light of recent criticism of the agency from Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.
Neither Perry nor Romney has made his views on NSF funding widely known, but in the past the Texas governor as well as the Massachusetts governor have touted NSF grants that came to institutions in their states.
Bachmann has faced criticism from the right-leaning Club for Growth for her "questionable" vote to reauthorize spending by the NSF. However, Bachmann did recently seek to reduce NSF funding to 2008 levels for a budget reduction of $1.7 billion.
Paul voiced strong opposition to federal funding for science education in 2000, saying that "Congress has no constitutional authority to single out any one academic discipline as deserving special emphasis." More recently, Paul was one of two members of Congress voting against a resolution to mark NSF's 60th anniversary.
(After he took office, Obama vowed to double NSF's $6.5 billion budget, but this year's $6.8 billion figure falls well short of that goal.)
What to add?
I realize I'm missing many other worthy GOP candidates, and many other worthy issues relating to science and technology. Feel free to add your comments about the candidates and the issues, but please keep the conversation civil. This isn't the place to talk about the debt crisis, or chew over the immigration issue, or handicap the horse race. That's what the First Read blog is for. Check in with First Read and msnbc.com's Politics section for daily coverage of the 2012 presidential campaign.
Update for 10:30 p.m. ET Aug. 18: Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, another GOP presidential hopeful, stirred the pot by sending along this Twitter tweet: "To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy." This follows up on The Washington Post's quote from Huntsman's chief strategist, John Weaver: "We're not going to win a national election if we become the anti-science party."
Although Huntsman accepts the view that greenhouse-gas emissions are contributing to climate change, he told Time's Swampland blog in May that cap-and-trade systems haven't worked and that "putting additional burdens on the pillars of growth right now is counterproductive."
On the stem-cell issue, a spokesman for Huntsman told LifeNews.com that the Republican supports research that involves "adult stem cells, non-embryonic stem cells and certain types of embryonic stem cell[s]" but does not support federal funding for research on new lines of embryonic stem cells. Such a stand appears to be consistent with the policy that was in place during George W. Bush's tenure at the White House.
Huntsman has generally been supportive of science funding: Among the efforts he supported as governor was the Utah Science Technology and Research Initiative at the University of Utah.
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This is from a politician, who takes money from any and all corporate sponsors, including Big Oil, he is a lying hypocrite, a perfect choice for the Republican Party.
And the Obama campaign took corporate money, too. What does that make him? What does it make ANY politician?
@Chris: The answer, a politician.
Citizens United has changed the rules even more. This is what it has been for too long, and this is what its going to be for a whole lot longer if the American people continue to hide their faces in the slime.
Barry, it actually evens the field. Democrats are supported by holly wood the unions and wall street and banks and lawyers.
None of the above are exactly broke. Heck, Hollywood has Obama going out killing Osama with seal team six in a movie coming out 2012 October.
Obama was the highest paid POLITICAL candidate on BP's donation list... see http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
Why do you think they were receiving the SAFETY Awards and the Environmental Wavers???
@Ghost: Had to reply. Your post #53.3 is not true. Citizens United is the device created by the Uber-rich to un-even the playing field. Examp. Romney got a million dollar donation from one man. How many union employees would have to ante up to equal that?
Your second paragraph. Would you feel more at ease if Hollywood came out with a movie about bin Laden's escape over the mountains at Tora Bora while Bush was president?
Gee -- let's say the earth is flat too -- at least it looks flat. What the hell -- we don't need science!!!
Historically when the Republicans said it was round the Democrats were burning the Republicans at the stake.
Like the Climate religion is today against others
Perry is getting the highest corporate money compared to any politician except Boehner, Obama will get billions from the people...smdk...! Don't you conservatives liars, hate the Internet and people of color donating their, humble crumbs...!? F.#&k the Koch brothers, you dk chits...LOL!
Between the religious magical thinkers, overpopulation, and the resulting poverty created by religious beliefs, the earth is doomed until such time as it is hit by a large asteroid and wiped out. Hopefully in the next go-round no creature as dumb and destructive as humans will evolve.
That was a fluke anyway- figure the odds that a volcanic ridge in would rise to block rainfall- and force forest apes to adapt to the savanna?
Cock roaches will rule the earth I saw the movie!!!!!!
Perry does not want to believe in science, he will just pray for rain, then pray that the 40 days of heat in Texas goes away, then pray that he will be the next president.
Nelson I would rather pray then keep all that hate bottled up inside. Makes Democrats start killing folks.
Ghostmaker, you notice his prayers for rain and for the heat to stop has not been answered.
I live in Minnasota, and before that in Ohio. In each I was near glacier mounds. No glacers there any more. We most certainly have global warming, but no people lived in the Americas when it started, and other then a few camp fires, we were not burning fosil fuels.
Glad to see some one tell it like it is.Go Perry
I deny the premise of the article. You have to understand something to have a stance on it- otherwise, it's unfounded opinion.
I submit that most Republicans lack the background required to have a stance on science.
Now...money?
THAT, they understand. I would imagine that when the abandonment of ethics has proven to be such a superhighway to wealth for so many untalented people, it's natural to assume that scientists, who are, after all, pretty smart fellers, must be doin' that too.
A lot of these people think they're "beyond good and evil"- when in fact- just like any other disease organism- they are beneath it by "virtue" of lacking the capacity to grasp it at all.
Mr. Perry...if you support the Right- it's fair to say that if you kneel in prayer, it's to get physically closer to your true God.
So depressing...
I don't support Rick Perry nor do I plan on voting for him, but here are three reasons why he's the man to beat for the GOP nomination:
Well Peery's enviornmental record in Texas, who wants to believe him. He is poisioning his own state and would be willing to sacrifice human lives to save money for his rich friends. yeah he makes out like Texas is doing so great with jobs. yeah, those jobs are mostly minimum wage jobs. yeah, go live in Texas and see how it really is> Perry is just one big blow hard!!!!!!!!!
Your right Oil jobs do not pay @!$%#. 65 grand a year is hard to live on.
... and then the governor shook a few hands of the faithful, slapped on his 10-gallon hat, and climbed on his trusty dinosaur "Dino" and lumbered off into a perfectly normal 12 degree above normal sunset. Well at least the luddites can sleep easy tonight because they now have found their king.
Idiots like Perry should be prohibited from setting foot on any school (grade school, trade school, etc), research facility, or library. He's never going to learn anything and is only going to interrupt the efforts of those attempting to.
It makes you wish you could wave a magic wand and make him vanish into thin air ... say, didn't Christine O'Donnell just pop up on TV again? Maybe she has a line one where we could get that wand ....
Glad to see the GOPers not being fooled by those slippery, cheatin' science people.
Wow, I wonder how he feels about God and all the money the American people have spent on a theory. What about all the money the churches don't have to declare or are exempt from declaring as income? This in my opinion has put a serous doubt he will be able to run this country. It takes some insight and understanding of the earth to be in charge of what happens to it. Sounds like he has no clue what nuclear bombs would do since it's only a theory that they causes cancer, birth defects and deaths. This guy sounds like he's had his head in the sand to long.
This is a broken debate. Sensationalism on both sides accomplishes nothing.
"The science is not proven."
Like the science that said that smoking is bad for you was "not proven" according to tobacco-funded "scientists".
New Century, same old ideas.
JOHN FENNER: Excellent point and one the Right will never acknowledge.
The overwhelming majority of serious, LEGITIMATE scientists are of the opinion that we are gradually moving our climate towards a warmer place. We can debate how long it will take and what the repercussions will be but not the reality that this will continue to occur.
The Right has always been anti science, just witness their reseravations about teaching evolution instead of "intelligent design". There is little intelligent about them. Let us assume there is a one of five chance that global warming is reall. Is there any sane person who is williing to roll the dice on that kind of a gamble???
The Koch Brothers hire a few fringe "scientists" to puke up an alternate theory and suddenly the Right has "proof" that it is all a big hoax. I don't suppose the fact that they are in the oil business would in any way color their thinking, now do you???
Drought so far cost Texas farms record $5.2 billion
Last week the USDA sliced 6 bushels/acre off the national average because the Midwest suffered drought and heat during July and August. Corn on the Chicago Board of Trade went up the limit. Today it closed at $7.25 3/4.
So it doesn't much matter if you think climate change is a hoax or not. You're going to get very hungry, that's all.
You have not prepared yourself. I did enjoy being hungry.
As a liberal progressive I've come full circle on the global warming issue. My first reaction to climate change was that, of course it is man made, greenhouse gas theory is proven and the amount of this @!$%# we spew into the atmosphere would support such a theory. But now, however, there seems to be much more to climate change than that. There is now plenty of scientific evidence from NASA to support that radical climate change is going on, not just here on earth, but throughout the entire solar system. This firmly suggests a much larger cosmic phenomena at work. But even if that is the case, the argument for the continued dependence on fossil fuels is neanderthal at best.....our economic future and security rests entirely on new energy innovations. Nothing else even comes close. Even if fossil fuels aren't changing the climate per se, they certainly are destroying the environment, most notably the oceans, and for those reasons alone we need to move beyond fossil fuel.
yep! the earth is at it's closest to the Sun in 2037 I believe. Of course it is not going to make it because the world is going to end in 2013. afffffffffffffffff!!!!
Actually the environment has been drastically improved in a short time since 1960.
GHOSTMAKER: If indeed it has, it's certainly no thanks to Conservatives who've resisted every form of conservation at every turn.
Small minds many times do not see the whole picture.
In 1975 we were besieged with global cooling clowns. Now those people are T-PEE'ers.
I see that HW is putting out a new Moon conspiracy movie. What a giggle
Although he paid for it in the press, Mr. Grayson was right on track when he referred to many in the Republican Party as "nuckle-dragging Neanderthals".
I had no idea that the Neanderthals were wealthy hahahaha
From the 1970's to the 1990's the average temperature on Mars rose by .65C or 1.17 F. The average temperature on Earth rose by .75 C, or 1.33 F The atmosphere on Mars is much thinner that the Earth's and made up largely of CO2. The Southern polar ice cap on Mars has steadily retreated for the last 4 years.
The Mars atmosphere is indeed largely CO2, however the greenhouse effect is fairly small because the pressure is so low. Not sure how reliable average temperatures are on Mars; we've only had a limited amount of spacecraft monitoring to date. Mars also has global dust storms and other things that don't happen on Earth.
The fact that they are competing for dollars is enough to turn the GOP against them. Certainly, Republicans do quite a bit of data manipulating of their own, as do the Democrats. The GOP doesn't seem to realize or comprehend that scientists are not by nature political. If they tend to vote Democrat, it's because only Democrats seem to welcome the scientific community to the debate.
If ya want less CO2, plant some trees.
However NatGo says global dimming (from particulates) is saving our bacon.....so be careful!
It's not that simple. Greenhouse gases can create a net warming effect on the Earth surface. No one is disputing this, nor have they for over 200 years. Google it. The bigger concern here is that you didn't take a breath before posting and ask yourself, "Is it just a little absurd to think that the whole conspiracy is based on scientists lying about the direction insulation works?". Had you been maybe a little less motivated by what you WANT the answer to be on climate change, I think you would asked yourself this, spent 5 minutes on Google, and never wasted your time posting this. Anyone paying attention, this is how irrationality works: you think you're being logical, but the human psyche stops you when you have the answer you want, and you never follow through. Scientists are trained in many things, but first and foremost, is how to be skeptical of all sides, always trying to prove your hypotheses wrong. Only when a hypothesis has stood what the large majority of people consider an enormous battery of tests, and no plausible flaws remain, does a notion become a scientific theory. If only politics worked this way, we'd have an amazingly better world. Rather, we treat our party like we treat our favorite sports teams...where one logical thought in favor your team is good enough and you take that to be your theory, rather than following through.
sorry, I meant 100 years not 200.
Well... That settles it, Romney is the only sane sounding one.
If I have to pick a Republican, I pick him.
Why do we need government?
I agree a shoe box with numbered marbles in it would be just as good.