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Is this truly the video that UFO skeptics have been dreading? Actually, a compilation of 17-month-old video clips from a Chilean military air show is stirring up predictable responses from both sides of the UFO debate, but no dread.
For those who are inclined to believe that some unidentified flying objects exhibit characteristics beyond what our technology seems capable of, the El Bosque case could represent the latest, greatest evidence for flying saucers.
"This is a very, very unusual case, and I'm hoping that this case will help move forward the recognition that there really is something here that's worthy of further study. ... It has the possibility of being a breakthrough case," said investigative journalist Leslie Kean, the author of the book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record."
But for those who think even the toughest cases can be explained away as video glitches, bugs or other tricks of the eye, the El Bosque case is just more of the same.
"They're 'unexplained cases' only if you ignore the explanation," self-described debunker Robert Sheaffer told me. "That's what's going to happen in this case."
Genesis of an anomaly
The case goes back to an air show that was staged in November 2010, at Chile's Air Force academy, which is headquartered at the El Bosque Air Force Base in Santiago. Nothing untoward was noticed by anybody during the show itself, but Kean said an engineer at the nearby aircraft factory noticed an anomalous spot as he was sifting through video taken from the show, looking for an image that could be used as a poster photo.
The spot appeared to move quickly from frame to frame, and the engineer thought it looked enough like some sort of craft to notify the Chilean government agency in charge of investigating anomalous aerial phenomena, known by the Spanish acronym CEFAA.
The way Kean tells it, CEFAA investigators looked around for other video clips of the event and pieced together six additional views of the spot-shaped phenomena. Ricardo Bermudez, a retired Chilean Air Force general who is now CEFAA's director, told a UFO conference last month that his agency consulted with other officials, image-processing experts and "non-believer astronomers." CEFAA's conclusion was that the spots were caused by an object traveling through the scene at speeds in excess of 4,000 mph — so fast that it went unnoticed by air-show spectators.
"Humans inside this object could not survive," Kean and a co-author, former New York Times investigative reporter Ralph Blumenthal, wrote in a Huffington Post report appearing on Tuesday. "And, somehow, it made no sonic boom..."
Kean told me that the El Bosque case was notable for several reasons: "I think what's exceptional about this is that the investigation was thoroughly managed by a government agency." Also, she said, "it's something you can actually see with your own eyes." The fact that the object shows up on seven videos from the same event, recorded from different vantage points, adds to the intrigue, she said.
The El Bosque case fits the pattern that Kean laid out in her book, in which she highlights UFO accounts from experienced pilots, military observers and government officials. Even measured by that standard, the Chilean case stands out, Kean said. "In some ways, I think it's more explosive than many of the cases in the book," she told me.
Skeptics unconvinced
In their article, Kean and Blumenthal wondered whether El Bosque would turn out to be "the case UFO skeptics have been dreading" — but experts on the other side of the UFO debate said their skepticism was unshaken.
"It's a tiny thing in a low-res video," astronomer Phil Plait, the myth-buster behind the Bad Astronomy blog, told me in an email. "If this is the best she can come up with, dread is not exactly what I feel."
Sheaffer, a columnist for The Skeptical Inquirer magazine and author of the book "UFO Sightings," joked about the reference to dread. "I'm shaking," he told me during a telephone interview. "You just can't see it on the phone."
Sheaffer said there wasn't yet enough data available to judge what really happened at El Bosque. "It's going to be like the Phoenix Lights in 1997. We're going to have to go and sit down and look at it," he said. (Coincidentally, Kean and Blumenthal's story came out on the 15th anniversary of the Phoenix Lights incident in Arizona.)
Some of the key missing points in the story have to do with the six other videos that are said to show the flying spot. Kean said that as far as she knew, those videos have not been seen by anyone outside CEFAA's investigative group. Another must-have for outside investigators would be the identity of the shooters behind the seven videos. If they turned out to be seven random people, with no relationship to one another, that would at least argue against the incident being an intentional hoax, Sheaffer said.
The fact that no one reported hearing or seeing anything out of the ordinary during the air show itself would suggest that the anomalous object is a trick of the eye — or, more accurately, a trick of the video.
For some of the denizens of the Above Top Secret online forum, the nature of the spot, or spots, was obvious: It's a bug, or bugs. An insect flying at regular speed through the foreground of the video could have been misinterpreted as an aircraft flying at super-fast speed through the background. One forum member posted several animated GIF images showing a similar effect. Different bugs could conceivably have flown through the viewing fields of different cameras, leading to the impression that the same super-fast craft was shown in each video — particularly if the six videos identified during CEFAA's follow-up were pulled out of a larger set.
"Maybe we'll find out it's a bug, but I seriously doubt it," Kean told me. She said she took Bermudez and his fellow investigators at their word. "All I know is that people who know way more about photo analysis than I have ruled that out," Kean said.
Even though Kean has made a name for herself as a UFO writer, she insisted that she's not wedded to a woo-woo explanation. "I just wanted to get this story out there," she said. "I'm hoping that some American scientists will now take on the analysis of this."
Update for 8:30 p.m. ET: I'm getting additional information from both sides of the debate. Leslie Kean sent me a follow-up email on the bug hypothesis:
"I went back to the CEFAA official re the bugs, and he said that's what they all thought at first when they got the first film (the one I posted). But when they went and got additional footage from very different vantage points which showed the same thing, they knew that was impossible. I don't think they're that stupid to claim this is a UFO if it was a bug, given that so many experts looked at it."
And there's this from UFO skeptic Tim Printy:
"I am very skeptical of this story the more I read it. There are no high-quality videos available, and the frame grabs/brief clips I have seen appear to be vague and indistinct. The idea they may be birds, insects or possibly a small Mylar balloon has crossed my mind but I can't tell much from the data at hand.
"There are some big red flags for me:
"1) This happened over a year ago and people are still working on analyzing this? If the evidence was truly that good, it would take a few months at best to come up with a reasonable analysis to demonstrate it was something not of this earth.
"2) It is being leaked out to various UFO blogs instead of publishing in a scientific journal. If it were good evidence, that is where it would appear, and not the Huffington Post.
"3) The videos are unavailable to be analyzed from outside sources. Perhaps they learned from the Mexican Air Force video debacle. Once the videos were revealed in sufficient length, many people identified the source of the images as being from oil wells in the gulf. A lot of people had egg on their face from that one. NARCAP was initially involved with that one, but then later stated they could not properly analyze the video because of the provenance being questionable or some excuse similar to that.
"4) The videos have no provenance. We don't know what has been done to them since the day of the event.
"Just my thoughts on this one. I can probably come up with a few more red flags, but I would rather wait for the report to appear or the raw videos to surface. Meanwhile, I will hit my snooze button while the UFOlogists proclaim it the latest 'smoking gun.' So far all of these 'smoking guns' have turned out to be empty water pistols that have never fired a squirt."
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A random dot in videos taken by unknown people... The UFO people are desperate for any kind of proof. Bugs are infinitely more likely than aliens. Slow news day I guess. :)
It is a bug flying in front of the camera lense, a small bug, but a bug.
Isn't it amazing? We have 1080p camcorders with great optics. DSLR cameras that shoot crazy high resolution photos. Phones that do 1080p and shoot better video that the average camcorder did ten years ago.
And all we get for UFO videos are:
1) Beautiful HD CG fakes that the true believers never admit to being fakes even after the artist that made them posts how-to videos.
2) Ridiculous fuzzy video that looks like a 10th generation VHS copy.
Nobody seems to be able to shoot something truly, genuinly mysterious and do so on a decent camera. Gee. I wonder why that is?
Actually, it is a Top Secret US super-plane.
ahh cmon. Why cant some people accept things for what they are. It is an object about the same size as a plane flying at 4,000 mph and making hard turns. Is it radio controlled or piloted? We don't know. All we can say for certain based on several different cameras recording the same object is that it was there and moving very fast.
I still wonder why we as humans are so small to believe that other life does not exist. And none of the other Stars out there have planets with life. It is highly possible that there is other life. And only our arrogance will keep us from finding it before it finds us. The universe is so huge it has to have other life forms. Maybe they (aliens) even look like us.
But that would mess up the religious theories. That man is made in the image of GOD. With all the different types of life here on Earth. A God that big has made other life elsewhere. So maybe this is a bug maybe a Spy plane maybe a Spacecraft from another world. Who really knows.
The naysayers will even deny if another form lands saying we created them in a LAB. As attack soldiers for the new world order. lol
Joeyfromcali,
Not believing in UFOs and believing that there are probably aliens somewhere in the universe are not mutually exclusive.
U.F.O stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Which is what this is. Nobody can say for sure what it is. But just because it is Unidentified, does not mean that it is Alien in Nature. I have to laugh everytime I read posts about this stuff. People just automatically assume that UFO means Spacecraft of another planet. Please. UFO means just that, an Unidentified Flying Object.
I want to believe we could be being visited... but this video isn't anything more than a bug flying by the camera.
Curved flight path, says it all the more to me, that and a presence in so few frames I could count them off on my fingers?
Who is the nutjob who thinks 'This one is the undeniable proof we've been waiting for.' The Pheonix lights were more convicing than this, and that one really was from multiple cameras across town, not a few cameras in the same general vicinity.
I totally believe in UFOs. I've personally seen lots of flying objects I could not identify. Spaceships... not so much.
And if we knew it was a spaceship it would no longer be an UFO by definition- it would be an IFO- identified flying object.
Plus, we all know that alien spaceships look like Boeing 747s without engines. John Travolta told me so, Tom Cruise backed him up.
@Michel-2014247
And what about the people who desperately wish to label opinions as facts to satisfy a needing to feel safe and secure by throwing out any and all evidence without the slightest hint of an open mind to the truth? All the while trying to put down the people who do have open minds in order to preserve, raise, and satisfy your ego? Ignorance will likely be the death of you. Until we have seen the other videos and can positively identify this UFO, Unidentified flying object, make sure you present your opinions as opinions. Otherwise it just makes you look like an ignorant child. Continue acting the way you are and we the intellects shall continue laughing at you. :) -I'm a skeptic with an open mind.
Well, that convinced me that little green (or gray) men are spooking our planet. Yeah, right.
@Ryan McAllister Well stated!
I know I'm very curious in what the other 6 videos have to offer. I'm certainly in no rush to jump to conclusions. I will say this, though - the video at Leslie's link is of a bit higher quality (especially when you up it to 720p), and the "object" is much more discernible when you then increase the video to full-screen. The quality of the embedded YT video is a bit degraded. One more interesting thing that I found was that at around the :27 second mark of the video, the "object" appears to emerge from the hills in the far background (on the far right...1/8 of the way in) before banking screen-left and shooting off. Since it "appeared" within the frame (rather than from outside the frame) and, seemingly, from behind the hill, it appears to be at that great a distance away, and just might rule out it being a bug.
Also, some of the screen-grabs in the slide-show at Leslie's link are worth looking at, particularly the infrared analysis (18 of 19), which is also available here:
i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/214261/slide_214261_782442_large.jpg?1331767301
And alternatively here:
images.huffingtonpost.com/2012-03-12-El_Bosque_frame_2_web.jpg
The first and last clip of the object in reg motion you can see a metallic glare from it. That one moment makes this video a lot more interesting. Kind of the kills the bug theory.
Yep, pretty much "Slow news day". That there are myriad planets, with inhabitants capable of interplanetary flight, is looking more and more likely. That any have arrived here is totally unsupported by any evidence. After the third, or seventh, or fifteenth predicition of the end of the world, and the world keeps going on, the "end of the world" prophets get out of the business. All of my adult life, folks have been claiming to have evidence of extraterrestial flying vehicles. Not a single bit of evidence has ever been produced. Not one!
Are any of these thoroughly discredited individuals thinking about hanging it up? Look, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence! None of the dozens of grainy, semifocussed clips from home movies has ever borne fruit. Why do news agencies continue to bother? Slow news day?
If Scientist shoot down every single piece of evidence in a story, that is not Science. If a video is too high quality, it is fake. If it is too low quality, it is fake. If a video seems to be a normal video, it has to be a weather balloon. I personally do not believe in UFO's. A secret that big is hard to keep. All that I am saying, is that if we continue to investigate this way, we WILL find nothing. And if some gray little guy lands and says "hey whats up." We would all say "WE NEVER SAW THIS COMING, THIS IS AMAZING" but then we would begin to criticize him also. It seems everyday the world grows more divided.
Hard to say with any degree of certainty what it actually... O_o SQUIRREL!!! is but I agree it is an unidentified flying object.
Is this truly the video that UFO skeptics have been dreading? Actually, a compilation of 17-month-old video clips from a Chilean military air show is stirring up predictable responses from both sides of the UFO debate, but no dread
The only "aliens"in this movie are the components of the camera that are giving a white spot. That is a common problem when cameras get a bad case of "cheap components made in Taiwan"
Aliens are always appearing to people without a clue about science. Why can't they appear to scientists that have been looking for them for centuries?
Look at the guy on the ground he isn't even looking at the UFO IT'S A FAKE
Big Ed, I agree with you mostly. The video part. All the same with one or two here and there that make you think but all the same crappy videos. Without coming off as a nut, lol, you should check out the show Ancient Aliens on History or the H2 channel. The theory is that alien technology helped our ancestors build some of the amazing architecture and structures around the world. Some of the theories are far fetched of course but you can't help but question the level of sophistication of some of these structures. Worth checking out if any interest. Fascinating really.
enough said...
Alas, the believers will believe, the skeptics will scoff and the beat goes on...and on...and on.
My thought on it is this: it doesn't really matter what any video EVER shows, there will NEVER be any kind of concrete declaration about anything (whether yay or nay), unless numerous ships land right in front of millions of people and aliens step out of them.
Pay your taxes. They are not aliens coming to save us before April.
The wings of an eagle in the show are the same shape as the captured depiction of when a crow flies" didnt anyone know their bonded.
We cannot rule out aliens just because it wasnt a decent video camera. Of all the galaxies scientists can see, there are trillion of solar systems. Of those solar systems there are many planents. Is it really logical to think earth is the only planet with life? I do believe that there is life elswhere but the likelyhood that the life on those planents are sentient beings are very slim, and given how far away these planets probably are it is highly unlikely that they will ever be able to reach us. But of course we dont know for sure.
I know nothing about the chilian government but I do know from first hand experience that the government of the united states lies about ufos. Saw one myself, don't care whether you believe it or not!
Nice gratiuitous Peter Garriel reference Wyknot.
http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm
joey...mos skeptics do not think we are alone. We are just not as COMPELTELY ignorant as you to think that they would come to this planet...and hten not want to be seen...but then ACCIDENTALLY e seen. We are the smart ones. People like you are he ones with the WORTHLESS brains.
There is NO reason for any alien life to know that Earth has any intelligent life. The radio waves that I KNOW you will ignorantly oint out that we have been sending out have never reached a planet with life because they degrade over such a large distance and are indistinguishable from background space radiation
And agai...if they DID come here, they would either not CARE that we see them and make themselves known (since we are not a threat to them) or they WOULDN'T be seen. We wouldn't ACCIDENTALLY see them...but only with REALLY low quality cameras.
And by the way...the human eye processes images MUCH faster than a camera of such poor quality. So if that image was seen in several frames of that video, a human eye watching live would have seen it too. Also...no matter WHAT technology they might have on their planet, here on Planet Earth, they MUST obey our laws of physics, which would dictate a sonic boom.
Don't embarrass yourself anymore with your smug comments acting like us SANE people are the dumb ones.
Wow, how in the hell did this make headline news? It could have easily been a bird in the background or a bug on the lens. Cool background noise when highlighting the ufo too......
Many of you haven't read the article- that is evident. Read it because it answers alot of the questions that many seem to have. Also, I think that the video contains the other cameras footage, not just one cameras footage. The way the view of the planes change in the different sequences makes me think so.
One other thing. Some people seem to think that the existence of Aliens would somehow fly in the face of certain religious doctrines. I know for a fact that it would not contradict anything in Judaism, Christianity or Islam. When you read the books themselves, there is no mention of other life forms besides life here on earth. The books deal with life here on earth and hold no prejudice one way or another toward life elsewhere. All of these doctrines openly acknowledge the existence of intelligent spiritual life that is not from this world though. That in itself does claim extra(non)terrestrial life. All it says about terrestrial life is that God created it in all it's varied forms. Alien life would not contradict the Tora, Bible or Quran at all. If it does exist, it would uphold the Bible as all truth does.
Look at the best cases, Dingos:
1.) JAP airliner in the 80s
2.) Rendalsham Forest Army base in 1980
3.) Phoenix Lights (not the stupid flares - the huge AIRCRAFT!) 1997
4.) Belgium Wave 1990s
5.) Film of "object" shooting missile out of the sky in Big Sur, CA Airforce Base 1960s
6.) Numerous astronauts belief in UFos
7.) Thousands of pilots sightings, experiences
This looks to be a good one too! It's just a matter of time before really, really good proof shows up.
But you can bet the skeptics won't believe until an alien sticks a probe up their butt!!! lol
Trying to figure out why this post is collapsed is more of a mystery than this UFO.
Copy that TFNJ... The ignore author button should be the only option you need to sufficiently delete anything that you don't want to see. It is censorship and both party's are guilty of this petty spaghetti. I don't need anyone telling me what I can and cant read.That goes for cons and libs. I can make up my own mind and people have figured out that by collapsing the lead comment you collapse everything behind it. I am a liberal but I respect every ones right to free speech. If I think you are a douche bag I can ignore the author and pow you are not on any feeds I read unless I want to check from time to time to see if you are still a douche bag. I say it often... Open your eyes and your mind, you may find out you really like that guy you think you hate so much.
My first thought while seeing the video was that it was a bug. After watching it and reading the article I badly wanted to see the other videos. If you were to stitch any two of the videos together so they are side by side you could compare the move of the airplanes in one to the movement of the airplanes in the other, and similarly you could do the same kind of comparison to the spot. What one would expect to see in this simple form of analysis is the motions to match up. If it's a bug in one camera you'd expect the bug to be gone in the other camera (assuming the videos weren't shot from right next to each other). So, if the movement of the planes matches up but the spots don't move like one entity then I would safely assume it's a bug, or several bugs.
I'm leaning toward the bug theory. I mean really, where are these other videos? Why not release them all when you released this one?
You're correct. And why didn't the people watching the air show notice anything strange in the sky, during the air show? Why would it not be visible, but for a post-show video review?
I follow the U.F.O. articles, thus because I viewed an Unidentified Flying Object, back in 1968. It was in a remote area near my family's mountain retreat. A round, glowing object came out of the sky, directly ahead of me, and straight at my Volkswagen beetle. I swerved to get out of it's way, but it moved before I could move, off to the right, around, and in back of the car. It was moving so fast that it was gone almost as quickly as I spotted it in the rear-view mirror. Now that was a serious sighting. It left my teenager body shaking scared.
The object I saw was unidentified, it was flying, and it was a solid object; not necessarily of off-Earth origin. And the mountain home was located near a major U.S. Air-force base.
For many years, I told nobody but my brothers, and I asked them not to tell. And I tell here, but in the anonymity of the Blogosphere. I'm safe. Most people simply don't want to make an issue of it. And we're fine with that.
My personal belief is that the military has been flying or testing anti-gravity for some time. It was being investigated by WWII German scientists in the 1940's. Much of that technology was brought back to the U.S. after the wars end. It would be the highest top secret order, of course. Details of which wouldn't be released even to sitting U.S. Presidents. After all, Presidents come and go, but the military and CIA go on forever.
I agree. Bugs were my first thought too.
Oh, aren't you a bit old fashioned and naive? Its cute, of course. But yeah, I have in my garage a genuine 1953 vintage wormhole generator (the "Tesla 5000, model X). Take it on board a small aircraft, and suddenly you are flying in multiple dimensions at one time. Which is why the "UFO's" are always appear fuzzy. Because they are fuzzy. Because they are only partially in this dimension. This allows one to take advantage of physical laws which don't exist here. I tried selling it on craigslist, but nobody replied. Probably because a few vacuum tubes are blown, and its hard to find replacements. Also, its plutonium powered. Like I said, it's antique.
@aliveinsd Do you really believe that the Military in their infinite "highest top secret order" would fly this craft during an Air Show with Spectators? Ahem... That would be a bit silly, don't you think?
It's bugs...
@stoopid LOL!!! your comment just made my night.
@Stoopid:
The Nazis also experimented (and were extremely close to) developing stealth technology as we have now in some of our modern jets. That is something we didn't fully realize until 1981 (officially anyway). This is even with what we aquired from them. Which accounts say was not only plans but, fully working prototypes.
What "Alive" is likely referring to (among other things they supposedly had hold of) was something that worked with mercury. They found that if you suspended it in a magnetic field, it begins to levitiate. They, or anyone else so far that we know of, have not been able to perfect it. It takes way too much power in order to acheive the effect needed. Not to mention the mercury...
Chilean hummingbirds.
Wow. They were ALMOST stealthy. I personally don't buy into the rumors that the Nazis had technology that far advanced. It makes no sense. Technology follows a predictable development curve. You don't go from prop aircraft to stealth bombers in one leap. I personally know a great deal about stealth technology--Peek A Boo nighties hold no secrets for me. Also, I am known to sneak up on grandma quite silently. Hope you get out of the hospital soon, Nana!
Um, if its already suspended, it IS levitating. Magnets are cool. Mercury is cool too. I once magically suspended a bunch of paperclips with a battery magnet at home. Paperclips! They weren't even mercury paperclips.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to jump into my time traveling pod. Is from Apple. It's called the iOutahere. You'll want to buy the anti-paradox app, so you don't accidentally prevent your own birth, etc. I had a blast here in these ancient times! Thanks, and so sorry you'll all be dead for 5,000 years in a couple of seconds.
You mean all those German superweapons we saw in the Captain America movie weren't real? But I saw it in the movie...
Watching the Airplanes toward the end of the clip I did notice from the left side of my Vision a very quick movement or rather very sudden movement that catches the eye then it is gone. When watching time lap video's of our space and universe that has been slowed down far enough to notice fast and very quick streaks, these have been noted as Asteroids or ? we don't know what it is, although they move so quick that we could never of noticed them until our technology of today. We see all kinds of fast moving what ever they are when we slow down film. When we slow down film far enough, then we have noticed an entire new world, or the beginning of another world or ? Our technology will allow us at some pint of time allow us to slow down film and capture multymillion pixles per frame one day, and that one day will happen soon. I would never say UFO's do not excist, as I flew over a UFO at about 1,000 ft away from a 747 Quantas flight.
Look at the best cases:
1.) JAP airliner in the 80s
2.) Rendalsham Forest Army base in 1980
3.) Phoenix Lights (not the stupid flares - the huge AIRCRAFT!) 1997
4.) Belgium Wave 1990s
5.) Film of "object" shooting missile out of the sky in Big Sur, CA Airforce Base 1960s
6.) Numerous astronauts belief in UFos
7.) Thousands of pilots sightings, experiences
This looks to be a good one too! It's just a matter of time before really, really good proof shows up.
But you can bet the skeptics won't believe until an alien sticks a probe up their butt!!! lol
I lived in Pennsylvania. Four years ago while walking my three dogs around 3 and 4 AM, I saw a massive UFO that has to be the size of six football fields or bigger. What i saw was three large lights shinning down through the clouds directly above me. It was a cloudy night and the lights were so powerful it cuts through the thick clouds like a laser beam.The three lights were in a triangular shapes.
It's funny because the fact that no one reported seeing this massive UFO or anything the next day. I stood there watching these lights for at least 10 minutes floating above me but yet no one seen it but me. I wish i had ran home and got my video recorder and film it. I can't explained what i saw because i have no pictures or video taped to prove it. It has to be one in a million chance i will ever see anything like that again.
It appears to be a small remote controlled vehicle moving side to side on the screen. It is actually closer to the camera than the Jet fighters so it appears to be flying faster.
It most certainly was not a "bug". Do you people actually think the Chilian airforce is not capable of determining rather or not its a bug? You people are being hood winked by disinformationists who know that none of you have the inside info on UFOs so its easy to lead you down the path "its a weather baloon..." I suggest that everyone here that is wanting to know the truth about UFOs to go to YouTube search engine and type in "STS mission 75" shot with NASA's own video cameras and decide for yourself who's misinforming the public. I develope Field Propulsion and gravitic technology based on the engineering of these other-worldly crafts and know, factually, that UFOs exist so I don't have to sit around and be left with "having to BELIEVE they exist" instead I scientifically KNOW they exist but most of the public is lead by Govt disinformationists in the press with having to "Believe or not Believe" in UFOs. See the difference? w ww. YouTube. com / user/ VonBraun87545
Well, this is a tough one for me. I guess I am a skeptic who REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to believe that we are on the verge of that CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, FIRST CONTACT moment.
But I doubt it.
C'mon ET, show yourself, we'll take you to our leaders.
But don't bring down any cookbooks. (ie: TO SERVE MAN)
Or any tough guy attitudes about raping and pillaging our planet and then moving on to the next big blue marble in space. (We've still got Bill Paxton and Sigourney Weaver on speed dial)
Well, now that I think about, DON'T SHOW YOURSELVES! GO AWAY!
I think Stephen Hawking is right, we don't know what we're asking for.
Kinda makes you wonder if they've been here all along????!!!
Skip... why would the ET want to be taken to our leaders? If they are intelligent they know our leaders are all corrupt morons.
You mean to tell me that UFO's seem to fly over dozens people in an air show, unnoticed, and are only discernible on a grainy video afterword?
Seems legit.
I'll hold judgment about the possible UFO in this video but one thing I'm sure of. If an alien space craft landed in their front yard some people would still be skeptical then there are some that will believe a bug flying across a camera lens is an alien UFO. Me...I don't know if there are alien UFOs or not but I'm not closing my mind of the possibility.
One thing I do know if the fact that ancient civilizations have been discovered that were way too advanced for their time (8 to 12 thousand years ago) with carvings of animals on stone with no signs of tools to make them. Of course there would be skeptics that would make the claim that the area is staged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RH4VkMT8Tc
...because it was estimated at 4000 mph.
It depends. At anywhere near that acceleration rate humans would be squashed like bugs, but if the rate was gradual it would be extreme but there is no acceleration effect once the speed is maintained.
There also may be ways to counteract the effects of acceleration the space agencies have in their toolbox for future use if we do have crafts with high enough acceleration to warrant it. Anyone who has the technology to make a craft move that fast most ;likely also has the technology to protect the cargo from being crushed by acceleration.
My guess is a very small meteor. It would be too small to be noticed on radar or visually until it burned off in our atmosphere and it would be traveling at a very high rate of speed, and could pop into view and disappear without a trace faster than most people would notice in daylight unless they were looking right at it.
Leave your mind open but not so open that your brain falls out. That there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is highly likely. That any of them visited here....I doubt it. I've yet to see any concrete proof. Sorry, but this video just ain't it. Like the skeptic they asked said, there are just too many red flags.
Just because you believe in aliens doesn't mean that you should ignore evidence that they are not here.
When you look for aliens, you will not be satisfied until you find proof of them, even if proof of their absence stares you straight in the face. By the same token, when you look for the absence of aliens you will not be satisfied until you find proof of their absence, even if proof of their presence stares you straight in the face. Look for what is there and, whether you find absence or presence, you will find what is there. That is real truth. The Truth is what is there.
I reviewed the entire "STS mission 75" mission (56 min,) don't see what that had to do with UFO's. Did I miss something??
The plane your referencing was the Ho 229 (also called the Go 229).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
It wasn't designed with intent to be a 'stealth' aircraft, but from the Horten brothers vast experience with gliders and shortage of metals at that point in the war.
Obviously bugs. Why would all the footage always show the UFO/bugs so low on the horizon and never directly overhead?
Sorry Max, perhaps the reference was too obtuse. You know a jokes not funny if you have to explain it but my post was SUPPOSED to be an homage to classic science fiction and one of the staples of the flying saucer period was the alien landing and saying to the first earthman he spots, "Take me to your leader."
It's a cliche left over from the 1950's and was included as part of my homage to Sci-fi.
Oh well, see you in the funny papers.
UFO crazies think skeptics are close minded because many of them do exactly the same thing that the crazies do which is make wild guesses without evidence. In this case, the crazies and the "skeptics" are in the same boat. Until we get the other 6 videos and interview/investigate the videographers, and follow the chain of evidence, any guesses as to what this is are just hogwash. This one video is useless by itself. Could be grasshoppers, extraterrestrials, or some dude with a cold on the left sneezing. Of course, since we have evidence of bugs and sneezing and no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrials, some answers are more likely than others.
rtfreeman- you must have watched the STS 75 footage on the NASA website otherwise you would not have said what you said. I've watched them quite a few times and showed them to many people, it has proven to the non believers that we are not alone. It is obvious there is something else going on. They are NOT water molecules and to say they are like the other disinfoist do you are a troll. What Vonbraun mentioned is very true, I see people mention the STS 75 footage and it is often ignored or shilled upon. There is plenty of great evidence out there just do some digging. In my opinion the russian footage of the young men who found the alien body last year was great and it showed how ridiculous the disinfoist are when they put an article out right away saying they made it out of bread and chicken skin, on this site no less. If those guys made that alien body out of bread and chicken skin, they should be working in Hollywood making a high six figure income. Complete BS that MSNBC even wrote that article.
"It's a tiny thing in a low-res video,"
that's an expert argument.
translation = Bug.
I dont know if it is a spaceship or an asteroid with flying ability but whoever is in the driver seat needs to be a more resposible ufo operator. Get that guy a designated driver.
It probably was a bug... And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords...
I think it was a bug IN a UFO.
So 7 different camera angles and the skeptics think the same photo anomaly or bug will appear the same in each of the 7 cameras.
Yeah ok do you have something better than that?
Okay smarty pants, have you seen all 7 camera angles??? No. Didn't think so. Until we see them all, all you can do is speculate. And it's much smarter to speculate that there were mosquitoes or gnats (or some other small bugs) present the day of the air show.
What's more likely? Bugs or aliens?
Mob Barley--I agree with you totally hahahahaha
I watched a tv show once (Monster Quest, I think) where the investigators were looking into a mysterious phenomenon called "flying rods." All the UFO buffs said it was proof of aliens and some others thought it was an unknown species of superfast flying creature. In the end, it was just.... bugs!
Re: Rods
Yes, they were bugs and I recognized them as such when I first saw those ridiculous videos. But those videos demonstrate that bugs flying near the lens of a video camera do not appear to blink from one point in space to another - their flight is continuously tracked by the recording. That is NOT what is happening here. Also, none of the "bugs" in this video appear anywhere other than the "sky" area of the frames, that is, none of them dip down so that they are below the horizon. Although this may be just chance, it's something that must be considered.
BTW, remember a few weeks ago the time-lapse "UFO" video taken before the Super Bowl? One"expert" declared it to be the result of a video artifact caused by "over saturated pixels" and another called them "bugs." They were both very obviously wrong to this (relatively) untutored eye. It turned out that the images were caused by flying craft - airplanes - but the experts were too focused on debunking the video to consider how real craft in the sky could have caused the results on the video.
I'm betting its both. Aliens with a bug like appearance including antennae and pincers.
Chilean hummingbirds.
Nah, its a swallow. don't ask me if its african or european variety.
More people deciding what it is before they have any proof. These UFO folks are sooo convinced of themselves that they decide first, then make the evidence fit thier decision.
Me - when it's merely a few frames pulled from a video, it's impossible to tell what it is. Let me see the entire video instead of just the selected bits and then I'll try to decide what it is.
And it could easily be something closer to the lense than the aircraft, making it appear to fly at amazing speeds in comparision to the airplanes. There's a thousand simple explanations and only one complex one (that it's a UFO). It's far, far more likely to be a simple explanation than a complex one.
And why in the *#&@ would an alien waste thier time at an air show in a small country like this? Any alien with any brains would be checking out this worlds most advanced gear, not some old crap in a podunk town.
Occam's razor, the closest shave ever!
Maybe they had some kickass BBQ there
Probably safer flying there than around New York City.
after done reading this article
see this ufo case and video www.turkeyufocase.blogspot.com
No skeptic dares to touch the Turkey UFO case because its so convincingly realistic.
That's a completely different case.
This case will make you a believer. The skeptics like Phil Plait however do not look at the evidence.
Sightings Over Turkey
Sightings Over Turkey
The sightings over Turkey have nothing to do with the video from Chile and the "ufo"s in both films behave in VASTLY different ways.
Mab-Barley appears to be a disinformationist and not a sincerely un-aware person.
Mob-Barley,
The point of both articles is that there are things flying around our planet that vastly out perform anything humans can produce. It doesn't matter if the two videos are different or the same. The question is "what are these things?".
So what are the odds of the same photo anomaly or bug occuring on 7 different cameras and 7 different angles at the same time?
The same bug? The odds are not good. But if you see bugs in all videos it doesn't mean it was the same bug. Imagine 20 people taking video of the air show. It's not hard to imagine 7 of those videos containing images of the same KIND of bug. It's certainly more likely than aliens.
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Again, that has nothing to do with this case in Chile. You are just using this as a platform to further your own pet causes. Your comment adds no value to this discussion.
If this article was about suppression of U.S. government documents about aliens, I could see why you'd be advertising for that petition, but this is a bout a video released by the Chilean government.
Not all UFO sightings are alike.
And I believe in aliens!
Are they illegal aliens? Then they should all be rounded up and deported before they start sucking up all of our jobs and free health care! (sarcasm!)
Kinda lame joke, in the fact this isn't even America.
You mean they don't have free health care in Chile?
Lets see if we can put the disinformationists to rest here, by analyzing the known (or at least most probable known scenarios available) fact about the video shown.
1. The human eye requires an image to be in it's field of view for at least 1/10th of a second before the brain can even see it. Which would explain why nobody saw the object.
2. Most video is shot at approximately 30 frames per second so the images flow together smoothly to offer a continuous view of the object filmed.
3. If an object can travel fast enough to not remain visible for more than 1/10 of a second it is virtually invisible to the human eye.
4. The scenery, planes, trees, horizon, people etc. remain visible throughout the entire video even when filmed at close to 30 frames per second.
5. The field of view of the camera looks to be around 150 degrees.
6. The Unidentified Aerial phenomenon appears throughout the field of view approximately 4 times through approximately 150 degrees of movement (This is approximate)
7. Doing the math, 150/4 = 37.5 degrees of movement in 1/30th of a second. (The time for one frame of video).
8. If the UAP is at approximately the same altitude as the flying aircraft, say 500 feet, that would form a triangle with an altitude of 500 ft and an angle of 37.5 degrees that would translate to approximately 320 feet in 1/30th of a second or approximately 6,545 miles per hour.
9. Similar calculations can be done for "bugs" at lower elevations, yet I hardly think there is a bug on this Earth that can fly at any of the calculated speeds.
Mob Barley I noticed you are the only one saying it is aliens.
Most of us realize not Leslie Kean nor the Chilean Airforce has mentioned aliens.
Did you notice you are the only one talking about aliens?
Oh okay, I'm sitting here saying it's bugs and you tell me I'm saying it's aliens. Sorry, I sometimes use the word "aliens" as interchangable with "UFO".
Well you're talking about aliens now.
It's a bug, otherwise it would have crash landed at 0:40. After 0:40, it reappears, but only in the bottom of the film....as if a BUG (or bugs) were flying in close proximity to the camera.
One of the last frames shows that sunlight is reflecting off the object. I suppose some bugs could also reflect sunlight but not as likely as a metallic object.
The only one making wild speculations are the fanatical skeptics.
You are guessing it is a gnat and you are guessing that it is a bug.
But you are only guessing.
Yes, and I'm also open about the fact that it's just a guess.
Was Jesus a bug, or an alien...
When you have to invent a "mundane" explanation that's just plain fantastic, you're no longer a "skeptic", you're just a believer, except your faith is "NO UFOS!!!"
As usual, the comments reveal more about us than the actual article.
Bugs on video in Chile is NOT fantastic, but it is mundane. Nobody reported hearing or seeing anything like UFOs at the air show. I am not anti UFO, I'm just in favor of logic.
No one reported a problem with bugs, either!
I subscribe to a simple philosophy. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A weird thing on a fuzzy video isn't extraordinary.
Pragmatic-3918582: It quite pragmatic to actually read the article before posting a comment that makes you look silly.
According to the Chilean government, the "weird thing" was captured on seven different cameras, thereby allowing them to triangulate and determine the actual size, distance and speed of the object.
Yes it is a "weird thing" indeed. but a large intelligently object flying through the air at 6000 mph and making impossible maneuvers is something important to be studied and to be concerned about.
UFO: Unidentified Flying Object
If this were an object traveling at those speeds, (based on what is shown in the timeframe here) the image would not be so well defined . . . you would only see a b l u r r r
H O A X
Excellant point Kristen; is the current state of videography capable of capturing a craft going 4000 MPH. I don't know, but maybe someone on here does.
Kristen, not necessarily true, and especially with today's technology. Have you ever seen a bullet captured in mid flight? Looks perfectly still.
No hoax!
stu...show me a typical home owned video camera or cellphone that can do such....those are HIGH end and very pricey cameras that catch images of bullets in flight...DUH.
You can do this at home with your own video camera. Just waving your hand quickly causes it to blur in the video.
Looks like swamp gas reflecting off of the planet Venus...
maybe Uranus.... <snicker>
Definitely a UFO.
with the camera's that we have why not a clear picture
It doesn't even remotely look like a bug. I've seen many bugs on camera, and they don't look like a disc shaped object. And if it was a bug, it would have to be extremely close to the camera for it to appear as large as the planes, and if it was that close (it wasn't you could tell) you would be able to see buggy detail in the freeze frames.
I agree. I got numerous accidentally shots of flying insects of all kinds last summer. Although this was an HD camera, a bug in motion is a bug in motion. You are right, they are not disc-shaped. And u would likely see at least some part of their wings in motion.
Much better and way more convincing UFO footage is on its way later this year...but at least this gets the discussion going about the reality of ETs - and that's a good thing !
Is this supposed to be a reference to December 2012? Come on!
Oh please there are no such thing as aliens or UFOs. People will believe anything, just about every so called UFO sighting has been fake or has a natural explanation.
People will believe anything, just about every so called UFO sighting has been fake or has a natural explanation.
It is called "A day without a date, nothing to do or bad sports on TV". People need something to entertain themselves.
They can come and mow my lawn...I am lazy to do it.
Lmao people, its called a 'Bug' say it with me, a 'Bug'
It is called a gnat walking around on the lens of the camera.
Anyone saying it's a bug didn't pay attention to the video. Look again and again and you will see how fast it's going in comparison to the actual video footage, plus the fact that at one point it dips behind a hillside. Sheesh.... pseudo skeptics = losers!
Look again and again and you will see how fast it's going
That can be fixed by adjusting the speed of the camera. Pictures now can be taking in milliseconds. You need to get yourself a new camera.
recorded by seven different cameras. All photographing the same bug?
Only if it is a gigantic, disc shaped, bug flying at 6000 mph.
This case will make you a believer. www.turkeyufocase.blogspot.com it has the most incredible close up footage that nobody can deny is evidence for UFOs.
www.turkeyufocase.blogspot.com