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In a recently conducted poll, 19 percent of the respondents said they thought Washington, D.C., would be the most likely landing zone for a UFO. But if that ever happened, who's the best person to lead the welcoming party? About 65 percent said they'd rather have Barack Obama than Mitt Romney handle the situation.
A new poll suggests that 77 percent of Americans think there's evidence that aliens have already visited Earth. The same poll suggests most Americans think President Barack Obama would do a better job than presumptive GOP challenger Mitt Romney if we had to fight off an alien invasion. And if we have to rely on a superhero to save us, they'd rather go with the Hulk than Batman.
That somewhat silly survey was conducted to tout a "Chasing UFOs" TV series on the National Geographic Channel, but the results raise a serious question: If an alien civilization does get in touch with us, who's in charge of figuring out what to do?
"Nobody's in charge," says Seth Shostak, who is senior astronomer at the California-based SETI Institute as well as the chairman of the International Academy of Astronautics' SETI Permanent Study Group. Shostak and I talked about SETI — the search for extraterrestrial intelligence — as well as its serious and silly implications tonight on "Virtually Speaking Science." The hourlong talk show is archived as a podcast on the Web and on iTunes.
As the poll done for National Geographic suggests, a good number of people suspect the aliens have already arrived, presumably on UFOs or through interdimensional travel. Most scientists scoff at that idea. "Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos?" British physicist Stephen Hawking asked earlier this month. But Shostak thinks it's only a matter of time before extraterrestrial civilizations actually do make themselves known, by sending signals across the light-years. Almost a decade ago, he predicted that we'd detect those signals by the year 2025, and today he told me he's sticking by that prediction.
During our pre-show interview, Shostak laid out his rationale for the 2025 date and discussed how an alien-contact scenario is likely to go down. Check out this edited transcript of the Q&A.
Cosmic Log: Do you still feel that 2025 is a good time frame for alien contact? And maybe more importantly, how do we know we're getting closer to the date?
SETI Institute
Seth Shostak is senior astronomer at the SETI Institute.
Shostak: People ask, 'Are you getting close?' And we no more know whether we're getting close than Chris Columbus knew he was getting close to the Americas — we might some palm fronds a day or two out, but other than that, we don't know. In some sense, it'll come as a complete surprise if we get a signal. We know that from false alarms. They never occur when you expect them, because you never expect them.
But in terms of the prediction, that's based on the following: We're looking for needles in a haystack. If you ask, when are you going to find a needle, you need to know three things: How big is the haystack? How fast are you going through the hay? And how many needles are in there? We know two out of three. The haystack's the galaxy, and we know how fast we're going through it. We don't know the number of needles. So I took estimates of the number from the Drake Equation, and figured that it's two dozen years out. What's happened in the meantime is that the funding crisis has slowed things down a bit.
Q: Do you think you need to revise the 2025 date?
A: I think 2025, 2030 is about right, given that we can continue to do the experiment.
Q: Is it a steady process, or is there an increasing rate of hay examination?
A: This is all predicated on an increasing rate. That's the march of technology, which is mostly digital electronics. Computers keep getting faster and faster at any given price point, and that's good news for us. We can look at a larger chunk of the radio dial at once. We can go through the stars faster. Or we can look at bigger hunks of sky at once. It's mostly computing power that is responsible for the increasing speed of SETI. We're not sitting around with earphones the way Jodie Foster was.
Q: Could it be that the patterns of communication by extraterrestrial civilizations take a form completely different from what we assume?
A: We kind of know what areas SETI is weak in. It's been slow, in the sense that you've got a couple of hundred billion star systems in the galaxy, and if you can look at only a couple a day, that's really slow going. That might take forever. Can we look at more stars in a given time, with adequate sensitivity?
The second thing is, it may be that you really have to look for a long time at any given star system. Of course, we don't do that. We look at any given star system, at any given frequency, for at most a few minutes. Some other search programs look for one and a half seconds at any given star system. If the aliens are broadcasting in our direction once a week, or once a day, or once an hour, we're not going to see it. We know that's a problem.
Another issue is that the aliens may not know we're here because they haven't picked up 'I Love Lucy' yet. They don't know Homo sapiens is here, they just know that Earth is a planet with biology. They may not be motivated to target us relentlessly with reality television. They may broadcast now and then, with a little ping just to see if anybody's here. You really need an experiment that can pick up an intermittent, maybe one-off signal that's designed to ping the planet. Everybody knows that. That's a technology issue, but it's an issue that's getting better.
"Daily Show" writer Kevin Bleyer joins "The Last Word" on MSNBC to talk politics and aliens.
Q: Has anybody come up with a concept for an all-sky, all-the-time receiver?
A: Yeah, well, all-sky, all the time, all frequencies — that's what you'd looove to have. On paper, you can design an instrument that can look at the entire sky. All frequencies, that's another problem, but you can certainly cover more frequencies than we do. It's all a question of whether you can afford to build such an instrument. The answer is, no, not now. It takes an enormous amount of computing power to do that. However, one thing you can say about the future is that there will be more computing power. This is not impossible. This is not like building rockets to go at 99 percent of the speed of light. That might work on paper, too, but in practice, that's a long way off. But this is something where you can say, with the computing power of a few decades hence, it becomes a practical thing.
Q: Assuming that alien signals are detected by 2025, is humanity ready for that?
A: Well, I don't know how much planning has been done. We've revised some protocols, but those are just the immediate steps you take if you pick up a signal. They deal with practical matters, like checking the signals out and alerting everybody. But I don't know that there's any large-scale effort to prepare humanity, any more than there was any preparation by the Indians in the Caribbean in case a Spanish ship showed up. I don't think that's a problem, to be honest. In poll after poll, the public has said they believe the aliens are out there. They see them on television every night, and at the movies every third weekend. A third of 'em think the aliens are already here, but they don't see a problem with that, either. Nobody's staying home. Everybody's still going to work.
I think that psychologically, everybody could handle it. It's just going to be a big news item. Whatever it would be, people would find it interesting. But they'd be savvy enough to realize there's no immediate threat. The aliens would be 500 light-years away, and we pick up their signal. There's no reason to think that people would go just completely non-linear.
The long-term consequences are less predictable. People would ask, should we broadcast back? Should we send a rocket in that direction? What should we do?
Q: Who would be in charge if there was an alien signal? Assuming that scientists confirm that there's an anomalous signal pattern, hinting at extraterrestrial intelligence, what's the procedure?
A: I don't think that there's anybody designated to be in charge. There was a flap a few years ago, involving an official at the U.N., but that was all a red herring. She quickly admitted that she's not in charge. Nobody's in charge.
Look, the real people who will be in charge will be the media, because they'll be reporting it. In some sense, whoever finds the signal is probably in charge. If it's us, then somebody at the SETI Institute will be called. Or suppose it's the Berkeley group. Well, they're in charge. Or maybe it's a group that comes across the signal by accident. There's no hierarchy. Anyway, you know how the media work — they're not going to follow the rules.
MSNBC's Ed Schultz, host of "The Ed Show" puts a political spin on a poll from National Geographic that suggests Americans prefer President Barack Obama over Mitt Romney on the alien-invasion issue.
There's no danger in any of this, except for one thing: That's the idea that you're sitting around, and suddenly there's a signal, and you call a press conference. That's not the way it will happen. We get signals all the time, and someday one of those signals will pass all the tests, and it slowly emerges as a real signal. But it takes something on the order of five days before you're convinced. During all that time, the media knows about this, because there is no secrecy. But there's no press conference yet, because the scientists aren't yet sure themselves. This time lag means there will be all sorts of stories before the official word is out. It isn't because of leakage, it's because anytime anybody finds something interesting, they may mention it. They'll put it on their blog. Who knows what they'll do?
It'll be very, very messy. And the corollary to this is that you can probably expect a lot of false alarms. There'll be something interesting, and a lot of people will write about it, and three days later it turns out to be nothing.
Q: Some people worry that our own radio signals are advertising our presence in what could be a rough neighborhood, but I take it that's not a concern of yours.
A: There are people who get their knickers in a knot about this deliberate broadcast stuff. National Geographic is supposed to be collecting tweets to broadcast as an answer to the "Wow Signal." I personally don't get heartburn about broadcasting. The fact is that NBC is broadcasting all the time, right? You can say, well, that's a weak signal. Sure it is. But if you're really worried about broadcasting into space, don't just shut down the publicity stunts. You better shut down the radars at the Seattle-Tacoma airport, too. They're broadcasting into space all the time.
Tune in "Virtually Speaking Science" on BlogTalkRadio or in Second Life — and bring lots of questions. Seth Shostak and I were at the StellaNova Small Auditorium, courtesy of the Meta Institute for Computational Astrophysics, at 9 p.m. ET (6 p.m. PT/SLT) tonight. If you missed the live event, don't worry: It's archived by "Virtually Speaking" on BlogTalkRadio as well as iTunes.
More nuggets from the National Geographic UFO poll:
- The "Aliens Among Us" survey polled a random nationwide sample of 1,114 Americans between May 21 and May 29. The poll was conducted by Kelton Research, which used email invitations and online surveys. Quotas were set to ensure reliable and accurate representation of the total U.S. population ages 18 and older. Margin of error is +/- 2.9 percent.
- More than one-third of those surveyed (36 percent) believe UFOs exist. Eleven percent are confident they've spotted a UFO, and 20 percent know someone who claims to have seen one.
- Nearly two-thirds (65 percent) said Obama would be better-suited than Romney to handle an alien invasion. Seventy-nine percent believe the government has kept information about UFOs a secret from the public. Nineteen percent think Washington, D.C., is the most likely landing zone for a UFO, while 28 percent think a UFO would touch down in Roswell, N.M.
- Seventy-seven percent think there are signs that suggest aliens have visited Earth. Most of these people said that the evidence came in the form of photographs (60 percent) and videos (57 percent) of UFOs.
- If aliens landed, 22 percent said they would try to befriend the visitors. Fifteen percent said they would run away, 13 percent said they would lock their doors, and 2 percent said they would try to inflict bodily harm.
- Seventy-one percent think that aliens are more likely to exist than are superheroes, vampires and zombies. But if aliens attacked Earth, 21 percent said they would most likely call on the Hulk to deal with the havoc, compared with Batman (12 percent) or Spider-Man (8 percent). Fifty-five percent believe there really are officials like the "Men in Black" who claim to be agents and threaten those who come forward with UFO sightings.
Previous episodes of "Virtually Speaking Science":
- Paul Doherty on solar eclipses and the transit of Venus
- Veronica Ann Zabala-Aliberto on spaceflight and Yuri's Night
- JPL's Dave Beaty on the search for life on Mars
- Shawn Lawrence Otto on science and politics
- Ig Nobel impresario Marc Abrahams on silly science
- Rocket scientist Robert Zubrin on Mars exploration
- Propulsion expert Marc Millis on interstellar spaceflight
- Sean Carroll on the puzzling frontiers of physics
- Rand Simberg on the private-enterprise vision for spaceflight
- Martin Hoffert on the future of energy policy
- George Djorgovski on science in virtual worlds
- Alan Stern on suborbital research and NASA's mission to Pluto
- Col. 'Coyote' Smith on the outlook for space solar power
- Tim Pickens on rocket ventures and the Google Lunar X Prize
Seth Shostak has a talk show, too! Hear it at "Big Picture Science."
Alan Boyle is msnbc.com's science editor. Connect with the Cosmic Log community by "liking" the log's Facebook page, following @b0yle on Twitter and adding the Cosmic Log page to your Google+ presence. You can also check out "The Case for Pluto," my book about the controversial dwarf planet and the search for new worlds.
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If this is what we have to do to get Americans interested in space science then god speed to President Obama and The Hulk as they journey to whoop some Alien @$$!
Obama couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. What a stupid waste of pixels.
Philly.....tell that to Somali pirates, Bin Laden, and numerous other terrorists........as far as fighting his way out of a paper bag, President Obama is quite the athlete. More so than any other president. How many pirates and terrorists have you picked off Phil? Shadow sword fights with Captain Hook can't be counted!
Obama would send in drone strikes and Navy Seal teams, and the aliens would be dead in a matter of days. If it were George W Bush at the helm when aliens landed, he would have waited until they attacked and then blamed Iraq for it. "Iraq serves as a safe haven for the aliens, so we must invade now."
Geeze, but you folks have it backwards. Romney would order an immediate attack and the next instant be on the phone to friends on Wall Street strategizing on how to make the most money off the situation--more likely by sending ill-equipped soldiers to fight like Bush did in the shameful and ill-planned preemptive attack on Iraq.
Obama is an alien, therefore he can understand and communicate better with them. Between him and Romney I have to agree that Obama would be the better choice for dealing with alien life forms. Whether or not that is construed as a compliment depends on the sanity and political leanings of the people questioned.
Now, one does have to wonder at who the panel was questioning and how anyone could seriously decide which comic book superhero would handle said alien invasion. I have seen the movies, I know what happens and Superman, well, maybe. Batman, hell no. The Hulk? Well, probably not. WonderWoman, especially in that special outfit, would probably be the best choice.
When the aliens call, who will answer ?
That is sooooo easy......Mrs. Pelosi.
Aliens won't contact us anytime soon. It would be like trying to hold a conversation with a 3 year old.
We are supposed to be one of the most educated countries in the world, and look at the joke of congress we have. Neither party is clear minded, calm, and truly objective. It is just like a glorified schoolyard fight put on to distract us while others pickpocket us while we are watching the show.
No, what really makes us so interesting that they would find us ready to communicate with? One thing is for sure, anyone can eventually be a threat. It is best not to be involved at all until later, so that you do not risk getting the ire if a very immature species. Wait until they mature, then talk to them when the time is right.
Mark my words, intelligent life will not contact us anytime soon. There is no reason to, and many reasons not to.
Don't worry.
Earth would be the LAST place they would come.
Once they start viewing our TV broadcasts now light-years out they'll not come anywhere near Earth.
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Beam me up Scotty....Is it just me or has anyone else ever wondered what would have happened to those being 'beamed' were they to move the transmitters (transformers?) a foot or two off center?
Ya, I can see it now. Obama comes running out all dressed up like Rambo, with a bandanna on and cigar in his mouth and a mini strapped on, shouting "say hello to my little friend".
Pleeeease!!!! Him and his box of depends would be so deep inside a mountain out west it would take a year to find him.
George Bush, again!? You make no sense.
Hello folks, I for one would welcome an enlightened, benevolent presence to assist our planet in its evolution. I know a lot of people would understand it if our planet was quarantined with our penchant for war, corruption and selfishness. There are also a lot of loving good people on this planet who would embrace another culture and all it would have to offer. Anything is possible!
Personally, I would dissuade them from talking to either Obama or Romney, and suggest they look for Bugs Bunny, the more intelligent of the three.
Bugs Bunny is a cartoon character...oh, wait....
Trust....so you think someone like Jim Carey maybe should be our greeter? Or maybe Joey from friends?...How you doin.....? Maybe.......William....Shatner.....could BE....the....ONE...to properly ...meet and greet......these visiters?
Look on You Tube about Betty and Barny Hill if you want to know if the aliens have landed before and are among us. I really think we should get together, welcome and help the aliens when they first arrive, give them food and nourishment so they live out the winter, just like the American Indians did at first contact on the East Coast. Then when they are strong enough they can kill all of us and take our land and natural resources, just like the pilgrims did to the Indians, that way our karma would be completely adjusted.
Hell yes they've landed and they are eating me out of house and home
What about the alien's karma?
Joe: Are you sure those aren't the kids coming home to live with the folks?
If we're lucky they will come the week CPAC is being held and french fry the wingnuts for us, saving the planet from utter destruction. If there was a god he would have ridded humanity of their evil already. The existence of conservatives proves there is no god that is watching over us or cares what happens to us. So please aliens you are our last hope, come and save us from the evil pod people known as conservatives. You can tell them from real humans by that greedy, uncaring, hateful look in their eyes and the smell of Round-up weed killer exuding from their pores from eating genetically modified food.
"If it were George W Bush at the helm when aliens landed, he would have waited until they attacked and then blamed Iraq for it."
Actually, G.W. Bush would have stolen all their money and Cheney-Halliburton would have contracted to rape their planet of its petroleum reserves.
I have to say, British Scientist Stephen Hawking is a under achieved know nothing. When he said earlier this month that " Why would they only appear to cranks and weirdos" was more then short sided. As many astronauts pilots ex military personal to boat captains to tower workers etc have claimed to have seen UFOs encounters as well as cranks and weirdos. ; ]
You see to lump it all in as one proves Mr Hawking is more simple minded then people make him out to be. ; ]
Cheers
I've heard it all.... Obama is now stumping for another voting block... Extraterrestrial alliens voting with no proof of residency.... geesh.... Gay vote, Illeagle alien vote and now Extraterrestrial vote.... Romney should be worried....
yeah... right.
Hulk could do it, sure, but the Master Chief does this kind of thing for a living.
ReallY?? they didn't talk to ME. Aliens are the stupidest idea Satan ever came up with. If there were aliens we would have communication with them daily and Everyone would have already seen them not just a few; very blurry, pictures floating around here and there.
Flame77-7 you are too funny.
ldo
When the aliens call, who will answer ?
That is sooooo easy......Mrs. Pelosi.
Good one because she has already cut off most of the present staffs balls anyway's
The aliens have been here for millenia, they're called humans.
Pogo
If I were an alien I'd stay far away from earth, We have that shoot first ask question later if there were survivors, who in their right mind would like to see us. Hell We would pull that "Stand Your Ground" law and shoot their sorry azz because We were scared.
This article is enough to make me stop coming to MSNBC.com.
Alan, you should've just kept this down in the Science section where the real people are at.
If space is being generated on the quantum, realities can be accessed the deeper you simulate on the micro....all the way to the Planck.
You can create your own frame space by taking advantage of discrepancies o the very smL...the quantum defines the particular rules of our universe on the macro, many universes being generated.so pick a set of rules and break f=ma at the extremes....with high jerks, derivatives of the accelerations etc. you travel through your own generated space and have a metric. That correlates with our space, then you can jump in our observed universe.
Much of reality is defined by how much information we can extract. So the rules may be irreducible complex at times but they are defined or partitioned into peices because of our limited ability.
Rules are simply one construct or universe, the deeper into the micro the more undefined and complex the order, generating more defined to bounded universes on the macro,
This is a parallel to the human mind. The human mind is the universe becoming self aware of itself through the iterative process of complexity. So the more we evolve the deeper we can peer into the micro and hence see more of the totality, just as the deeper into the quantum the more undefined and more "defined" or bounded constructs/universes can be simulated....as above so below.
Hence, at a certain point by taking advantage of small discrepancies of the micro we will be able to manipulate reality like A computer program...many would object due to energy requirements but this ignores that reality is information based...and that entropy is just a hidden order...with enough information processing efficiency, the amount of energy required for any manifested action goes down to zero.
Think of chaos theory, a butterfly's wings cause a tornado in Texas. The weather is very sensitive to small Pertubations anywhere in the system. The same is for the relyionship between micro and macro. Once you master the source code with enough depth, then you can "project" on the macro like a hologram simply by manipulating information, not energy.
On this micro many realities are being "simulated" and because the "aliens" have mastered the absolute truth they no longer not only have to use space to travel, they become a "god" by manipulating reality like a programmer, but they have MERGED with the quantum and become and information being. There is no "us" or "them" because like the Internet, once you share essence and mind, it becomes a standard upward evolutionary spiral....where you are both one, just different levels of development....this goes back to the infinite creative source of all things which originates at the singularity.
Reality is self similar on every level like a fractal....scientists may have noticed that as the universe expands it changes the properties of the micro (eventually you'll have a rip on the subatomic), similarly, the micro defines many constants on the macro for any particular logos or universe. It is a cybernetic system in constant communication.c
At a certain level there is no scarcity but absolute abundance once you can manipulate things from the micro. Everything is information so why not simulate your own reality? It becomes a bit like tron.
But first you must be "tuned" to this frequency,
Many of the people that are "privy" to this knowledge just have an ability to be in tune with the universe the way the rain man could calculate very quickly. The truth is that man does not need to look at the outside for absolute truth because as we are the universe becoming self aware, we contain all the truths inside us, we are made of the source code and are a higher order than the atoms and physical interactions we study.
We can reach, through rationalism and self reflection, reach the absolute truths.
Many people like me KNOW of these beings and of these higher truths....but there is no way I can prove it for you, I can access a higher reality by changing the way I observe and hence defining reality a different way (transcending time) becoming a thought form...but I cannot show you what I see because you need to change how you observe to see it.
Kind of like you need to Beleive before you can see,..,have faith,
Scientists cannot deny that as you observe something you are inherently defining the parameters of what is being observed in the subatomic..perhaps by making the observation rather than the observed less "defined", or more undefined, that will correspondingly reveal more of the "nature" of the observed, as it is one unified manifold, inseparable,
One day, one of us will get enough power to actually prove it not by ballooning to the etheric (just changing your perspective or information attributes...the essence of the matter) but by using the will like Jesus Christ and say, levitating an object by extracting from the environment....but there are rules against this, there are two equally valid perspectives, the linear time of evolution and the omega point where everything is happening simultaneously. Many realities are happening right now but I cannot tell you the future because by telling you I affect the outcome of what I perceived and something else will occur, which I do not know
It really comes down to the irreducible nature of the singularity....the tree of knowledge and the tree of life...
So many people cannot intervene in history and "prove it" unless a certain critical mass of humanity becomes psychic because we cannot know if the outcome of such actions will be utilitarian, we cannot know the totality of history. The higher dimensions operate on a hierarchy and you self actualize the utilitarian by emanating from being. By being yourself you are brining the omega point closer because it is the utilitarian. The more ego you have the more this manifests in an illusion that must be administered by a state as it is not at "peace" or "balanced" ...the more peace and indifference through being is reached a balance ensues and the utilitarian or "gods kingdom" manifests.
In other words. We are subject to the higher levels, we can't just prove it.
In my case, I am in a disabling state at the current moment. I was "activating" in early 2011 but due to several incidents, was not allowed to make the transition. It isn't impossible that I could in the future, in fact it is quite likely, right now it seems there is a presence on this planet...that is not allowing this to take place.
I don't want to sound dramatic or ominous, I never suspected anything and would have thought such notions absurd and ridiculous, but there seems to be a DARK spirituality on earth that is preventing a "proof" from going forward.
Take this as you may. I would be willing to meet with any scientist and relay my experiences.
I Beleive that the bible, which I once though was useless brainwashing tripe, is written in a higher dimensional "meaning" that can only be read if you are properly in tune, but gets through to those who are highly suggestible through the subconscious.
For example, to be concise=
I am =. Being, I am not = ego
Satan, god.
Anti utilitarian, omega point utilitarian,
Again, there seems to be a force on earth that is using arbitrary knowledge to keep people away from the super unity or absolute truth. Like an "adjustment bureau" that selects certain people for places of authority, without their very knowledge, to prolongue the omega point...they may not realize it but for example, Stephen hawking may be a brilliant physicist but he is downright mentally handicapped when it comes to opinions on aliens...
An advanced civilization would have no problem with resources....think of the singularity....it makes no sense to conquer, just by a cost benefit analysis....
(even if resources were a concern)
By putting certain people in certain positions...manipulating others....they prolongue the omega point and the absolute truth.
You know how some scientists and boffins like Chris Langan want to see the mind of god, having a "theistic identity" with god himself.
I was there, I was one with God, and I could still merge, but you'll be surprised how "accidents" seem to exponentially rise once certain information beings realize what you are doing.
Btw, it doesn't mean it's intentional, the people being "selected" probably don't include people like hawking....I just don't know, so obviously im prone to speculation given my own experiences with transitioning. Like its not everyday you realize the supernatural is actually real and that people are manipulating in order to prevent the higher truths from being known. Like a bad men in black, it's not the thing you contemplate when you are peacefully thinking to yourself. You don't think the people with tin foil hats may have something going for them.
MdmdDd . . Joshua is that you?? I remember having a somewhat similar conversation with You on this (regarding the evil force etc.). Do you still believe the Freemason type group is involved??
I think free masons don't have much to do with this. The higher truths are coming from the same place however. So for example, hermeticism and the quAbbala and all this esotericism, these are superficial things that to the trained observer it starts to click, it takes off like fire once you see. There is a connection with all the religions and it does have to do with esoteric spiritual teaching. Jesus Christ was a psychic that by resonating with the zero point could manipulate things around him. But he is just an avatar of the same information being that incarnates ever so often on earth,....Krishna....Christ....it's the same being.
So yes, I think the original free masons knew about what I know and masons at the very very top....know about this....
And many of this small small but powerful group has tried to prevent people like me from reaching super unity and going dragon ball z. I would become godlike.
Most of free masonry however, no, just old people joining another club. Most of them have no idea what these things mean.
My progress has been stopped for now because of, my own impatience and imperfections, but the people presenting the challenge..,,instead of it just happening organically are two fold
The higher dimensions which are using "the dark" to teach me a lesson, I presume I need to be a bit more responsible before I attain that ability to manipulate reality ,and people like me) and the dark, which are perhaps the very very top of the free masons....but I don't know where it is coming from.l..I do know it's Information flavor.
So it's just speculation,
Also, man has gone against their being or god self for material things, like just the collective hive of man...so if there are particular individuals shooting missiles at me they are more like "air benders" of this collective negative dead energy.
Currently in disabled but I can recover. I healed my body just with the psychic frequency now I have to heal my mind.
But I havnt slept in weeks. It's always a drag.
And no I don't know who Joshua is,
I did post on another comment section on a different subject (not msnbc) the motto of theosophy
"there is no higher religion than truth"
And one of the secret mason mottos
"logic is the greatest tyrant, and truth the greatest communist"
Given your name is "truthandlogic" maybe there is some connection. But, in the interest of looking respectable and not looking paranoid I think that yea, there are many an annoying gnome following me around, mason and non mason.
If you are not then forget about it. Btw, I recommend any reader to read what I said about the quantum and how it generates the macro reality, I'm sure any scientist will quickly resonate with it and start seeing connections.
Did the National Enquirer take over MSNBC?
OK, folks, listen up, this is the way it went down and the way it will go down. You may take notes, but please no photography.
An advanced alien exploration and development force did visit this planet somewhere around 45-65 thousand years ago. They found a bunch of primitive hominins wandering around in leaves and animal skins. They felt sorry for them and helped them to advance, made them smarter, taught them agriculture and built a few pyramids here and there to act as beacons for their return. We think they are gods and when they return to the heavens we begin to worship them in various ways.
Supplies were running short so they hopped back in their space craft and ran back to their home world to stock up. The round trip takes two weeks in space time. That's about 50,000 years in OUR time here on Earth. My, how things have changed in the intervening 50,000 years (for us, a couple of weeks for them).
They'll be all "Sorry, sorry, got tied up in traffic....saaaay, you've done quite a bit to the place while we were gone. But what's up with the arms race and all this 'religious' crap. You've been very naughty."
They'll straighten us out and take a few of us back to their home world to explain ourselves and then we'll join them in the stars.
OR...while our founding alien friends are away....a malevolent alien species shows up....wipes out humanity, rapes the planet, stealing all the water and other natural resources and THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. Bye-bye Miss American Pie.
When our "gods" return, two days later, the Earth is just a barren rock. No water, no atmosphere, nuttin' honey.
They'll start looking for the next blue marble in space.
That's just the way it is......or will be in 2025.
Btw, ufos are not material vehicles, they are transcription programs, to really experience 3d you need to embody the information level of the reality so it clicks like lock and key. As the observed is never separate from the observation, to really perceive in 3d you and your perception must be receptive or resonate with that sort of "language" or frequency, otherwise you only see 3d from a higher perspective and you cant really experience 3d. A human body or "avatar" is often used by higher beings to experience earth from the higher self,
The higher dimensions are like a tron universe. You can create realities and mold reality simply with your mind, like a very very lucid dream where you are more awake then you are now. There are many realms that are akin to common operating systems where everyone sets their "perspective" to that source code or program.
There are many "reflections" of you on every level, your higher "self" is kind of like the "user" in the tron universe. When someone "merges" with their higher self you get a light program, you become more boundless and less defined, able to be limitless and do most of anything. When you reject the higher self you become more limited and more at the mercy of a co reality...lfrom a purely information perspective, ego is a co reality of collectivism, you are at the mercy of everyone else. When you change your information Perspective to that of being, then you are more boundless and since you are resonating more with Truth (hence light programs, dark programs), you attract and resonate with a reality that is custom made and are not subject to others realities,
You can see it from a purely papsychological point of view, which then reflects in how you experience reality in the infinity, butk takes time and you have to be in tune...
If you get your sense of worth from the outside for example, your sense of validation, then you are being defined on the grid based on the predictable program of your wants and needs which are intertwined with the well being or misfortune of others. Hence, you start getting into a roller coaster as the outside cannot justify your needs and wants all the time.l.you start being defined by the system and you lose being.....you lose bits....because you are resonating with falsehood and your being at Iys kernel is truth, (you are alive not dead) so your quest for meaning won't be self actualized..
If you resonate with truth and get your self work from the inside an the source of Infinity, then very little can affect you in the outside and you create a custom reality based On your passions and following your pursuits/ perfecting yourself that self justifies your being.
This adds information bits....
Now imagine that reality is actually information and these merely psychological or metaphysical observations have a correlate with reality itself,...if you had a person see the source code and resonate with the truth of infinity you could actually have someone be "so zen" that they start changing reality on the outside .....it isn't just about paychology then but the nature of reality and how observation and what you resonate with are actually defining or "extracting" a reality from the outside... by having a source code that is more "pure" attracting the less pure to you (matter) Because of your kernel of truth...your inner peace...
This is why in metaphysical and real terms, a person that is more at peace attracts the "darker" programs that gain meaning from the outside...l.it is more "stable" and they want some of that goodness as well. same goes with complexity in nature.l.l.more unstable atoms like carbon combine to form the most complex molecules....
The then stable "greater orders" are then "justified" by the unstable order seeking to emulate it. As above..so below...it's chemical, you find it in physics, you find it in math
Why? Because it transcends any particular set of physical laws, it is the interplay of information no matter the laws or particular logos, universe.....it is...metaphysical.
Same goes with dimensional vehicles, they are transcription programs so an observer can experience by being "translated" onto the native frequency. The bodies are simply avatars, the ships are living beings that interface with the conciousness of everyone on board,
Not a single comment refuting my theory. The truth will make us free.
Once you are in the higher dimensions everyone on board is part of the same "seed program" or source code which can be "partitioned' into individual personalities...but all are the same being, all come from the same "bread" ..
The mothership or transcription program is the main being or "bread" which is then partitioned into separate beings like giving birth according to a bell curve to then "see more" of the environment through different points of reference. Kind of like the mind, by adding relative perspectives you get more depth into the absolute...neurons or "mirrors"
That's how you generate depth, depth is an illusion by placing two two dimensional perspectives and through the relative comparison "creating" depth.
As above so below.
No one ever dies because the information properties of a being are "reflected" (your conciousness) every instant on the Planck or micro, so if you "die" the last "mirror" of your conciousness, the last "neuron" contains the information of the aggregate.r...this last "neuron" is simply on the micro, "observing" your brain or rather conciousness...
If your conciousness is "grown" or built from the aggregate iteration of mirrors to add complexity to the perspective or conciousness....one mirror sees an object then a second through the first and then you get the reflected "infinity" the new paradigm level or "perspective" ...like depth...every higher order being an infinity of the previous,
Then all conciousness is just as good as the last mirror...the more mirrors or relative perspectives the greater depth into the absolute....
This means an infinite amount of you, information wise, can be simulated just by adding one more "mirror" to your conciousness....this is more than exponential you see....
So yea, the extra "mirror" is well god and it's being simulated on the micro. As all Macro reality is being generated on the micro, your conciousness is being simulated on the micro and the extra mirror already contains all your information, an infinity in fact.
It's even in language and you don't even realize it (that's the source code for you);
"that is the essence of the matter" ...
Information of the matter......it's metaphysical,
They don't contact unless you resonate with the truth and see them first, because then by tautology you have not progressed to the point where interaction is necessary for your growth....for perspective must be gained from the inside..?not the outside.....not empiricism......information fields, not physics..
Hence, it's not about a prime directive...because even if they presented themselves you would only reflect your own limitations. Into an Infinity..people won't see the truth even if it's right infront of them because if we do not resonate with 4d we will always interpret in a 3d and come away with 3d conclusions.....kind of like the end of contact....
There is just. I way to prove it unless you are activating your thought form.
The only wAy would be if a human moves things or a being changes something in the physical? But if you don't know the source of where it is coming from what is to stop someone from saying its something being generated by the nervous system? Or that it's an energy flux rather than an information attribute?
I havnt figured out exactly as to the why....but a good allegory would be this;
How do you describe to a blind person or a person that has always lived in a black and white world the color red or a Rose....as WE experience it?
Would it not lead to people reaching their own conclusions based on their own pre conceived notions? You don't go to a lower evolutionary state and TELL them about the higher one, they must figure it out for themselves, otherwise you just amplify their limitation, not the Infinity.
I think though given that I almost did activate, that it will soon be time for this to be revealed, if only these dark programs would stop humping the leg of everyone privy to this
If truth be told, neither would protect us. We would all die in a matter of days, because if an alien specie has the technology to travel hundreds of light years to our planet and they want it for themselves, then their weapons technology will just as advanced.
Skip Nicholson.....from a metaphysical point of view....what you just said is impossible (on their nature)....
So yea, let's just hope nobody figures it out. Because I don't think wrath would be the appropriate word.
I also see a lot of manipulation online, much of it could be a psy ops by either the dark group to manipulate or just salesmen peddling crap by taking advantage of the mentally ill.
like the posts from "salusa" ....or "spirit" online..."galactic federation of light" talking about Obama as some "great information being" I see that as absolute manipulation, either it's just people selling crap to gullible or I guess it could be manipulation...I just dont know,..there is no human information task force to guard this information universe...it's a wild west.
The fact is these higher truths and realities are real, however not many people will see it or understand it, coming away with their own conclusions,
Kind of like schrodingers cat?..it's existing in many states simultaneously and once observed it reflects the information tree of the observer....it's such a high level that the first people that were contacted all saw something different.
So it's a very fertile field for manipulation. I mean you have people who still Beleive the earth is 6000 years old, how the hell do you expect these people to be understand a variant fluctuating reality where you can transform physical objects with a zen frequency?
You kidding me bro?
That's why you have such a wide range of opinion, unless we SEE it people are going to come away with their own conclusions, scientists are often the worst because their very well constructed logos for our universe does not allow them to see the greater picture. Anything that doesn't conform to their knowledge of our limitation or reality is crackpot thinking so they end up becoming just as oppressive as the catholic church in the middle ages.
Personally I think humanity is ready, I don't know why we havnt been visited formerly...i only speculate above... I have seen the higher levels and realized there I no "alien"
Once you share conciousness there is no "alien" just information. Evolution then becomes "standard" and there is no "difference"
I don't know why they don't come to earth, or really. Make themselves widely known, because really they are already here. That is an open question I can only infer as to the why.
When your phone doesn't ring...it's probably an alien.
Metaphysical??? Is that like "Meta-world-peace". I'm talking reality here Dude. It's what happened.
Sheesh.
Ok dude.
Btw, snugly dog.
Sheesh.
I speak duderonomie. Everything is subjective bro, I lick my popsicle, hence I am,
I think, therefore I am not.
MdmdDd... I love that guy! Keep up the good work man!
Whoa.... Quantum Realities are so Tubular Dude...
Whoa Dude, there seems to be a Dude avalanche here! Maaaaan! (let's see if that catches on).
Thanks for the shout out about my dog. She's a 9 year old Bearded Collie named "Honey" and yes she is snugly. She's also amazingly smart.
She's smiling for the camera. Honey loves to have her picture taken.
Have a great day.
"When the aliens call, who will answer the phone?" I cannot answer that question but I can tell you who I do not want answering; That would be Barrack Hussein Obama. If his recent past is any indication he will not even answer the phone. On the other hand, he may get in contact with the head of the aliens union and invite them to stay in the good old USA. The will be the ultimate in illegal aliens. They will get subsidized housing, food stamps and the regular goodies illegals receive when they get here. IN addition, they will be given the right to vote....democrat....and will not even be required to obtain a drivers license or any other form of identification. Just go vote.....democrat!
@MdmdDd..... "Kind of like schrodingers cat?..it's existing in many states simultaneously and once observed it reflects the information tree of the observer..." This is true only on a totally theoretical basis. Theory does not equal reality. If you put a cat in a sealed box with a highly radioactive element and no food or water it's going to die. Whether you lift the lid a look inside or not... the box will still contain a dead cat. You can't prove the "... it's existing in many states simultaneously..." theory with hard evidence. That's why the field that includes quantum mechanics is called THEORETICAL physics. In fact no sane person with an ounce of common sense would believe the cat in the box would exist in any other "state" than the "state" it was in (being a collection of atoms called a cat) when placed in the box. Just because you are not currently "observing" something does not mean it ceases to exist until you do. If a kid throws a ball over a tall fence and can no longer "observe" it the ball would still strike anyone in it's path of travel... even if the person struck never saw (observed) it coming.
The dolphins are in charge, been that way for over a hundred thousand years....in fact they recently checked in with milky way central...still no signs of true civilized creatures on terra firma, just some sort of ultra-emulating chimps crudding up the place, the chimps are not expected to last another 2,000 years......p.s. they said thanks for all the fish.
The dolphins are in charge, been that way for over a hundred thousand years....in fact they recently checked in with milky way central...still no signs of true civilized creatures on terra firma, just some sort of ultra-emulating chimps crudding up the place, the chimps are not expected to last another 2,000 years......p.s. they said thanks for all the fish.
The answer really resides in what type of aliens visit us.
If they are hostile the aliens will attempt to take over the weak minded humans first to use them against humanity. When humanity has become weakened and confused the aliens will present theirselves as a form of benefactor helping humanity defeat the infested humans only to later enslave us before them.
If they are peaceful they will most likely be standoffish at first until we realize that they are peaceful.
In that case (if they are hostile) the obvious choice would be the Republican House Leadership.
Or perhaps, because we have been televising Earth vs.Aliens movies for years - and the humans always win, they will not want to mess with us. We'll have Will Smith meet them...
Anyone that has seen Charles Krauthammer knows that either they are already here, or Vampires do exist.
I was kidnapped by aliens once. They beat the crap out of me! They were yelling at me, but I didnt know what they were saying because I don't speak Spanish.
Sounds like you watched Earth Final Conflict or something.... Yeah, em Talons presented themselves as benefactors in the show, only to then steal people's memories and use them for blackmail, among other things, while pushing off programs of bio-surogacy...
Serously though, we'd have no way of knowing, as anyone wouldn't know who's in front of them, until they get to know their counterparts a little better. One wouldn't necessarly want to assume the worst and initiate hostilities (even a race with benigh intentions wouldn't necessarily appreciate being shot at, anymore then we would), but at the same time they shouldn't be foolish enough to blindly assume "they mean no harm" and leave one's self wide open either. There'd be a balancing act, while getting to know, and any advanced, intelligent race, who really didn't mean harm would understand caution (and note I said caution, not hostility). Remaining on gaurd (unless/until relations would be opened), as opposed to going on the offensive, wouldn't be an unreasonable course.... Besides, if they got around, they might well be aware that there "are others" who perhaps wouldn't be as well meaning as themselves... They might have even dealt with them before...
On the other hand, we wouldn't want the sort of Bolton/Rumsfeld type of hot headedness either... If we wee talking about a race with the technological capability to travel here from outside our solar system, quite honestly the technological difference would leave us more akin to being the Natives, when the Conquistadors (and our own ancestors) came to "the new world". It would take wise action, and arguably a balanced approach if you will...
Oh, and the main weakness wrt SETI, is that it's assuming a level of technology close enough to our own, that they'd be using a form of communication (aka radio) which would be similar enough, that we could essentially look for "that type of signal". And yet one of the biggest drawbacks to radio (it's limited by the speed of light), also would make it useless for long distance (in astronomical terms) communication. If one were talking about a race capeable of inter-stellar (let along inter-galactic) space travel, and they sitting on their ship, wanted to communicate to home world, 1 million years for a message to reach home would be unacceptable. If there would be a means to get around that, it would entail a scientific discovery, and a technology based on it so far in advance of us, we might not even be able to detect it.
Theoretical science might give some ideas, but even there, worm holes, other dimensions, etc, one would be talking about a signal that wouldn't be traveling through normal space, aka where we are looking.... What it would more likely find would be a planet with a civilization much closer to our own, who might be using it for planetary (but not inter-planetary) communication, that would be no more capeable of coming here, then we would be of going there....
"How to Serve Your Fellow Man" Twilight Zone, those would be the most logical aliens when you look at population densities on this planet.
Wasn't one of the messages that went out with Voyager 1 "greetings friends of earth, have you eaten?" Or was that a sci-fi story that I read years ago? Who knows? I do know that the Twilight Zone episode was just "How to Serve Man" Let's turn the tables on them, they might taste like chicken.
Aha! So, there are two of us out there who remember that particular program. You're right, I tossed in the 'fellow' via some freudian, anthropomorphic unconscious typing. It couldn't be 'fellow' since they were really tall and wore robes and looked like Lurch. Remember the space ship and the loading docks and all the people gathered around, so anxious to be the 'first?'
As to tasting like chicken, why is it that anything that one would not normally consume is described as tasting like chicken. I tasted alligator tail, it tasted just like a rubber chicken. Ditto rattlesnake and mountain oysters, if the chicken were crossed with a Bridgestone tire, that's what they tasted like.
Hard enough to get a chicken to cross a road.....and how would that crossing of a chicken with a bridgestone go?..........MyGIRL...you said it...tasted ...like ..a rubber chicken. Were you forced to try one, or....?
I do remember my older brother filling up a rubber chicken with Grain Belt beer and drinking from the beak back in high school, ......
Generally speaking, when a chicken has a meeting with a Bridgestone tire, it is curtains for the chicken. That's what happens when chickens cross the road.
As to rubber chickens, I must admit that I chewed on one as a joke, it was a long time ago, I had been drinking and.....nevermind.
Beer and rubber chickens ......go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly...Laverne and Shirley....
So ...Mygirl.. You met my brother eh?.......now I know why he was singing Mygirl for a week or two back in high school....and that explains the disappearance of the rubber chicken......
War of the Worlds was re broadcast on the radio during mid fifties. My mom made us listen to it as she had heard the original in 1938......It was storming outside while we listened and was scary as hell. Dad thought it was funny to crank up the sound during screams.....
If you have a chance to listen to it , it is a hoot. Probaly online someplace.
Finally, something the prez is qualified for.
Or, it could be that humans wanting to enslave humans pose as aliens and benefactors to get the drama up and then they can make a soap opera so the humans thinking they are cool can make the other humans dumb..
All the while the real aliens are peaceful and think the whole debacle is quite absurd
In the same way we laugh on YouTube at a cow trying to hump a tree with little success.
Well actually I would be inclined to think its a bit of a legal thing. Collectivists call to dark puppets or movie snippets on the greater world scene, like the new world order. While light or those Who seek truth Want a different future.
Our experience is then managed depending on our intent and what we want, according to free will,
In which case the aliens will "help us" whether that be the new world order or the Christ world depending on our free will,
So in that sense aliens would then be "neutral benefactors" with a lot of stupid humans trying to screw up things on earth so people choose the collectivist route, favouring a power structure that is in their favor.
Stupid because humanity would have everything it wants in the higher dimensions.
I'm thinking the "bi furcation" described in the bible is this.
The dark going to collectivist hell and the light a higher dimensional reality.
An interesting idea. You have obviously given this some deep thought.
When I read the Bible, here is what I see as far as the future of obedient mankind -
Psalms 115:16 indicates that the earth was made as the habitat for mankind. Psalms 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:3 indicate that the earth will last forever (or to times indefinite - a very long undetermined amount of time). Psalms 37:11, 29 indicate that man will live forever (or to times indefinite) on the earth.
Really, everything we need in order to be happy is RIGHT HERE on the earth now, but because of sickness, old age, death, the wickedness on the earth, and mismanagement by mans governments, we cannot enjoy life. However, this was not the creator's original purpose for mankind and the earth, nor will this sad condition continue forever. In the beginning, mankind was placed in a paradisaic condition in the garden of Eden. It was only after mankind rebelled against their creator that imperfection and death were introduced. However, the creator has not abandoned that original purpose. At Psalms 37:10, 11, we read that God will do away with wickedness on the earth. At Daniel 2:44, we read that the incompetant human governments will be removed and replaced with God's government. At Revelation 21:1-4, we see that at this time in the future, death, pain, and sorrow caused by mans imperfect state will be done away with.
And the sooner the better. Because of nuclear proliferation, global climate change, energy shortages and high energy prices (think peak oil), food shortages, depletion of fresh water resources, and runaway overpopulation (amongst other things) the world as we know it is about to fall apart. This is not simply a matter of an ancient Bible prophecy, but the facts that we see before us right now. A "perfect storm" of mankind's own making is brewing, and if our creator doesn't step in soon to save us from ourselves, we are all dead.
And if your don't believe in a creator, well start taking Prozac and/or get your survival gear ready. The future doesn't look good.
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Will--humanity is in control.....it just gives up power willingly.
Most of All of our problems can be solved, it's an illusion that we don't have power, that's the very mentally that will LEAD people to collectivism....loss of hope, etc. and a larger state, which is really the collective ego and anti utilitarian, I'm taking your comment at face value.....
The more "time" a system uses to resolve, the less utilitarian, once things reach resolution, then no political force is necessary because you have a natural organic equilibrium that is utilitarian (you call it god, a god law, etc). It is the "end of history"
When you have an arbitrary monopoly, like the state, administering affairs and intervening in a system it just creates higher order imperfection from the imperfections it had originally intended to eliminate. You cannot know if any particular action is utilitarian because you don't know the totality of history, furthermore, you can't even know if any previously perpetuated action is utilitarian (I'm talking about it in absolute terms, not speculation or empirical bell curves which are not true knowledge) because you are only dealing with your timeline, so it then dissolves again into subjectivity and people's own perceptions ("they won't Beleive the truth even when it's right infront of them" " who are you going to Beleive, me, or your lying eyes" -paradoxes). For example, there is no wat we can know if Obama's stimulus program was utilitarian from an interventionist point of view, because we can't compare with a future where it didn't happens (using long 15 year timelines and the empirical perspective on knowledge), but we can know what is utilitarian at any given moment in time. And this organically emerges as a property or natural law from interaction in a free and indifferent system ("justice is blind"). Â The truth is that the utilitarian is the party of the totality and it is static. It doesn't need to "consume time" to resolve because it has already resolved, it is the utilitarian, the omega. All you have to do us look at information system or nature to see what is utilitarian.a flock of birds doesnt emerge from one source or brain that manages all the birds, its behaviour manifests from the individuals in the flock all making small adjustments depending on where the other birds are and that in aggregate is an orderly and utilitarian behaviour. The recent quadrocopters you find at Ted are not managed from a central computer because it is much faster and efficient to give more capability to every single robot and have them make adaptive choices dependent on where then other robots reside.vsame with Internet packets, in bit torrent, you don't have one central computer seed to every single leeched, you have a seed to out in distributed packets to several computers and then they share the file among each other for a much much faster download and less strain in data consumption by not having a duplicate process for every upload. when decision making is more distributed with An indifferent set of laws you get an equilibrium that is utilitarian, the "perfect market" in economics is really the "ideal" of socialism, as identical products and a very large number of sellers and buyers reaches the "optimal" outcome for the individual and society. there is no profit.
But to do that you need legislation that is indifferent to the position of any person in society, and that usually comes from a society that is less ego based, unlike what we have now,
The larger the ego you end up with a proportionally larger, state because the state is the biggest monopoly. Any overly judgmental society or forceful action will then end up being arbitrated by the state as it becomes the "cup holder" of the collective ego of that society.
So it's really about force and the will, when force and will are not used because an equilibrium is reached less "time" is used until it becomes  the "end of history"
Because the utilitarian is inherently a logical order or "natural law" (or god law) Â it doesn't need force. Just as this is true for government it is for the individual, once yo have reached absolute peace inside you can "transcend time" which is what many have glimpsed during an acid experience, among other things. Â
Once you know yourself extremely well and desires, fears vanish then you become another sort of wave function and reality starts looking different.
Once you reach the "totality" or the manifested utilitarian which can only be verified as utilitarian at any given moment in time, basically an order where incentives are aligned to an indifferent legal grid where no particular player is favored, the no more time is consumed for a resolution and you reach the end of history. As democracy turns into a sort of libertarian communism or meritocracy, where things just "fall in place" according to your ability and need. No force or action is required.cut is to be noted that this system would actually be way more prosperous for everyone invoked than we have now, it would take the shape of bit coin exchanges for currency, distributed banking and basically, more user choice.
When free will is taken away due to a central collectivist ego you get anti utilitarian outcomes because you don't let the will "resolve" and so you keep an endless "civil war" going on in the divided self of the population (more rights, etc). When the will is transferred from the state to individuals through an indifferent game, then by the equilibrium or "natural law" the will cancels itself out, and you get the "manifested order" of the god law. So parties ceaze to exist, everything merges into a one party system of the totality and things are managed through the logic of the dynamic equilibrium (the interaction of players). This could take many shapes like the description of an implicit meritocracy in Wikipedia an online open source thing like Wikipedia itself or mmorpogs where legislation is written and revised by everyone. I know that may sound a little crazy today but if everyone was allowed to form their own "charter zones" and business not subject to one central legal "operating system" set in Washington dc then an equilibrium would manifest in the court system and people would become more savy of using reputation sites and legal reviews (so instead of just thinking its all taken care of by the nanny state the aggregate action of people finding out becomes utilitarian, because then market players do not collude with the largest monopoly that oversees all others in the state, creating an entire clas of lobbyists with a vested interest in protecting these players that are supposedly doing it on our behalf). Equally with a bit coin exchange, if everyone is allowed to issue their own currency then an equilibrium, natural law, or god law ensues, which incidentally could not be used by the government to pay it bills the way it does now by manipulating the currency through the fed. It would be an implicit budget amendment and nothing was done at a central, no political force, no civil rights movement nothing, all you did was allow people to issue their own currency. Now this would probably involve a political movement nowadays because everything is indeed done in central, but the point is that the natural law or utilitarian is an equilibrium that comes about by adding free will on the ground and allowing this will to "cancel out", so you just have the law, no will. Hence, in a god matrix, we don't have will because we are following who we are and our passions on the individual level (being vs ego). It becomes a one party system (party of the inner mind or totality) and people just rise by ability depending on what they are looking for in a field.
Now an "elite" would perhaps reason that is against their interests buts its really not, when you have force and will its always very volatile and a double edged sword, this is what you had during feudalism,va bunch of elites vying for power while the peasant self censored due to fear and thinking they have power in number, when these ways of thinking are extraordinarily predictable to any quiet observer, leaving open the manipulation of this gullibility.
But In the palace, machiaveli reigns supreme, so there is very little of a system to enjoy (the politician that instead of taking only 50 percent into his pocket from the tax payer homer Simpsons 100 percent) Â so it is not a stable order
 and oppression does now allow for development (in a high scarcity environment you have to be absolutely ruthless To remain in power As you can be easily toppled due to the passions of the moment Yet you don't enjoy the nearly the wealth that someone that just had a good idea in our society does..unless you are the absolute top, like Kim jong Ill, but let's fact it, you are likely not going to be Kim Jong ill)  that in this extremely oppressive environment an aristocratic of the past probably doesn't even come close to the luxury you can experience as an elite today, in a system with more freedom. Due to the free market and technology the prosperity that has ensued is unparalleled in history.Â
If we had the system I described it would jump even more with this natural law of the equilibrium. The top bureaucrats  would be of no lack when automation increases because deflation will make every dollar they do make worth more. Technology has a way of always opening up resources. It could get to a point where a certain group of wealthy individuals, whatever political elite is in power at the time,  get together and pool funds to create an automated community, once you reach a certain level of automation then it goes back to self reliance and there isn't even a need for the political ego, it turns libertarian and communist.Â
Once you reach the omega point extremes merge because it is the natural law or utilitarian, communist libertarianism, freedom through totalitarianism and the natural law, opposites come to mean the same and it becomes the "end of history" because the tree of knowledge is exhausted and we have reached "resolution"Â
This manifests in things like singularity level technology or psychic abilities. Everyone gets what they want. But of course, we can't get there through ego because that's the very thing that prolongues or prevents its arrival.Â
Note that a large state is really the ugly social Darwinist mentality, the cynicsm that everyone is out for themselves and the rich just take advantage of the gullible peasants below, so the government must "seek patrimony" from these greedy self interested actors, in order to feed another set of greedy self interested actors, because it's not fair that these guys just did it based on their charm or ability, which they just gained by chance, so since its just all about greed nothing means anything so these guys need to "pay their fair share" and give it to us because we are the ones that rule with the power of force (through the largest monopoly), as it is the only morality in a world only based on greed. Its quintessential luciferianism.Â
It's so cynical that it uses these very ideals, like hope and change....and turning around every rational objecting on the critical party involved, for this very system of greed. It's the typical paychology of the bully, power through might and humiliation, get someone to feel ashamed for a perfectly rational objection by taking the contrary and it's corresponding contrasts, not justifying the truth, and seek to get an emotional response from the other side, since the most indifferent game player tends to decide the future by taking small fluctuations in mood and air bending it to their favour by taking the more rational or indifffereny position...you use the very attitude of the higher level against the feeling of the higher levels...since any emotional response from the  side with the rational public interest in mind can be  painted in a way that loses makes them lose favour and look irrational, and lead public opinion to support the unjustified position but comparably emotionally neutral other side, hence dualism or illusion, anti utilitarian.Â
Now it's not irrational because a person that does not have information of the higher levels and is just self interested (without making the connection that in the totality the self interest is the public interest) when it comes to material matters, might not really care about the truth or the public interest. Even a person that knows about the totality and higher information universe might end up not caring in the same way someone doesn't care about his or her future just to enjoy the now.
But we all abide by the party of the totality and the party of the inner mind, we all see from  the same disinterested eyes, but we experience through different prisms.....different levels of ability, wealth, status, and that's why we have the world the way it is. The only way to reach the totality is really high faith in this higher reality and/or a really transparent system. But it's all whithin our power, loss of hope /faith cynical pragmatism leads to a top down and not our self interest or the public interest (unless you are at the very top and even then it becomes so ruthless people start falling off the shelf) and hope and faith in the future that is combined with an honest pragmatic attitude toward finding real solutions leads to the natural law and a shorter time toward the omega point,Â
From what I see right now, yes, the entire media now has abandoned even the desire, it's just a joke now, all you have to do is read how John Roberts was "not being a political activist" with his good decision from CNN or lz grandersons peice on how we should all just stop asking questions and "trust" the government on fast and furious to see nobody is really trying,....now it's just about political force, from what I see, because people, when it really comes down to it, don't like to put up with too much bull@!$%#. The "dam breaks" as Gergen so adequately put in his most recent article, because even though everyone accepts something as true, like what joe Scarborough says on morning joe, at the end of the day cynical pragmatism is going to win unless.p you have someone with real balls or  leadership,
This, of course, seems to be quite lacking, so it's not too surprising that people would choose this route.
Then you just have the momentum of the bureacracy and self interest if you don't have a trend setter, you move goal posts by  making others uncomfortable, and then afterwards, they thank you,  they no longer feel like they have to be dishonest, a new "more" or program is set for them and they are happy because they couldnt ordinariky cnbat yhst weakness in themselves. Of course, cif you don't follow through, then your 15 minutes of fame are up and you are the worst person in the universe, shameful and absolute Satan incarnate. Because now you let THEM down in the inner mind, you were taken out, and so was the social more or code, which they previously bought into. So who are they gonna pick nancy, themselves. But the totality is the same, without a trend setter, and just a bureaucratic operation, you of course will get nothing.
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In the end however, it comes down to faith, depending on your perspective and just your level of faith, you will end up on one side or the other. Irrespective of ham fisted leaders or not.
 it doesn't take away from the fact that the united states, the greatest system on earth, is being systematically dismantled, the constitution fisted, because of the  default bureacratic position of a political class.of course, there could be more compromise due to the political reality and slowly unfold these things I speak of, that goes to the other side. You may be right,cut unless you control the entire realm and not just one arm of government, you can't expect to call the shots. Thats just politics, if this were a philosophy class or the church, then things would be different, but it's not,Â
All that is left now is action if change is desired. Or reaching inner peace irrespective of what happens in the outside.
We have the power individually, no one is controlling anything, and we are not "doomed" .
Those who give into the collectivist mindset then that  reality willl grow and so will the ego.....in the end, I imagine it will be a similar fate to what  you see in the movie "war of the worlds" as directed by Steven Spielberg ...those giant tripods harvesting humans and fertilizing the fields , but Instead of aliens, you'll have humans doing that to other humans, as the men behind the curtain, and the mechanical atheistic  indifferent ethos of greed, will be the ego. the all seeing eye. The machines will be the ego. At first it will just be the poor and vulnerable, but slowly and surely, the machines will make their plans against us as well, after all , in collectivism, you are only worth what you are deemed from the outside, since you deem yourself worthless. That's collectivism for you.
Party lasts until the big nasty tripods show up (the higher dark)then it's all downhill from there.
Correction: if you are politically or force minded, then the only thing left is political action,
I am not of this view, because in the end, the will cancels itself out through time and reflects natural law. You can't really get away from god law, you can confuse matters at the moment, but this law never changes. So in reality, the most indifferent perspective wins out, that's how manipulation works, they are indifferent and use the force vectors or will from below...they use small fluctuations like in chaos theory to "guide" to a particular future...simply by the passions below...because they act as the god law, they use the indifference to get an equilibrium that you get when you are actually at the omega point to "form a one" but instead, it creates strife below so the equilibrium is that which matches a political force to be symmetric.....an thus the central ego grows, the power structure that self justifies the anti utilitarian order that is giving them their power,c
However doing nothing is not the answer. Leadership is the way forward but not based on political force, but by appealing to the inner mind, meaning. Political calculations are good, but you need something that "pulls things in" ..usually this gravity is often the negative because it just lower fruit. But higher truths are really what feeds our being, and once this truth grows then it snowballs into the party of the totality. When information rises things change and the system operates different.. Outside events are irrelevant because the real "life" is in the higher dimensions, this existence is really a form of slavery, even for the people at the very top.
Another way to Appealing to the inner mind: stature, leadership...by giving to ego.....matching the state with the actual expectations. Giving meaning, tree of life. Giving of yourself.
Sounds like really well planned out bs on our way to the nice little totalitarian war of the worlds future after a well crafted global economic collapse on the world stage. Like soylent green but without ecological collapse or reason for it except people can't deliver on promises.
Google: galactic federation of light salusa. June 29 2012
@mygirl I remember it quit well. One of my favorites. How well would rubber chickens go with play dough mashed potatoes and rubber biscuits??
Send the TSA! Let them frisk the aliens for WMD's. Or send Sheriff Joe. He LOVES aliens!
Though here's a problem, if they frist the alience, they might end up being anatomically dis-similar to us, just enough that they'd get more then they bargained for. Not that one is likely to have a mouth in their pants, but would you want to go sticking your hand down there, not knowing what you might find? /rofl
Hell, for all we would know, their reproductive parts might be on an entirely differennt part of the body, and doing a pat down there, could end up feeling rather gross. Or they might have a venom sac under their arm pit, and patting down there might be a medical emergency, with some organic compound our doctors would have never seen before :p
Just pray that it's not John Bolten
Pray that it isn't Biden.
It's pretty obvious the fuctardicans would crank up the war machine if we had a visit from other beings. All the christian as well as all other cults would have to throw in the towel on the phony dogma they profess. The only way out of that would be their own self admission of failed beliefs. A war is the only way they can attempt to suppress the truth. But like all wars the fuctardicans start it will fail as it should. That is the only thing the fuctardicans are any good at, starting wars and killing people. Any rational person would not want the visitors to even know that fuctardicans exist on this planet else they might ban it from galactic progression. After all who would want it known that there are fuctardicans here?It they are evil visitors perhaps the fuctardicans will all join them on their return voyage so they can all live among like kind?
To comment on your comment would be to qualify what you have to say... Therefore, I will not waste anymore time not commenting.
Yeah, what he said. I agree.
Yeah. Me too.
I am outraged by this comment. The aliens conquered us after the prime lo mein went public and the fried high council sold out.
Hopefully, they are much better beings than we are. Humans have a terrible history of violence. If the aliens are on equal par with ourselves, lots of talk to be done. If they are 1 million years more advanced, what do we show them pictures of our family?
To impress them we will show them Michael Jackson videos.
Perhaps, just perhaps, a civilization 1 million years ahead of us, would see us more as younger versions of themselves, who have potential, but are still very young, but ultimately having the same potential they themselves once had, up until they came to the point of realizing and out-picturing that potential.... Of couse in that situation, they might also chose to leave us alone, until they could approach us on more equal footing, with the prospects that after we will have come into our own, perhaps we could both move forward, together.
The right approach might, in that case also be to not try to impress them as such, as they might well not be impressed at all, and walk away thinking we're all a bunch of phonies or something. But unless/until we'd be dealing with an actual race, which comes from an actual society with it's own culture, it'd all be conjecture anyhow.
No, to really impress them they must watch an episode or two of the Kardashians.
An episode or two of the Kardashians and The Jersey Shore will KILL them. Problem solved, invasion over. They won't want to come here.
"Mars Attacks" remember the aliens being killed by the recording of the cowboy song (the title of said song, along with the name of the group doing the singing currently escapes me, I will remember it at two in the morning.)
Funny how people who make fun of the Kardashians.....watched the shows..........Notice I am not saying I watched any of the shows...?.........Ok.......I did...and I was impressed with certain aspects of Kim.......
Yes, Kim has two special talents...
Yes Kim does....and her friends...shall I say...have no talent.......and are mere amateurs with a video cam also! I on the other hand...well let's just say...stick with me kid, and I'll make you a .....star!
Thanks Mygirl.....Mars.Attacks......I knew it was Slim Whitman...now I have Indian Love call by Whitman stuck in my head....
Christ.....nothing worse......Pure torture.......I laughed so hard when the movie came out. Slim..the best of the worse. Ruined a perfect song. I have Indian love call by Nelson Eddy and Jeanette McDonald on my old Victrola. Flip side , Stout Hearted men......classic
Have to put on some Neil Young to escape the clutch of Slim.....
When I'm calling yooooue...
"They don't know Homo sapiens is here"- Aliens vs Grammar?
That sentence is grammatically accurate-- our species is known as "homo sapiens" not "homo sapien." In other words, "homo sapiens" is not the plural, but rather the singular. It's Latin, not English. The plural of "Homo Sapiens" is "Homines sapientes."
Hope that helps. (PS: I'm an English Graduate, so I hope you'll take my word on it. If not, Google it).
Why is Homo capitalized?
Homo is the genus name, which is traditionally capitalized, while sapiens is the species name, which is downcased. Another example is Tyrannosaurus rex. Or Agra schwarzeneggeri. Here's a lighthearted look at scientific names:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/06/10012670-the-hoff-loves-his-celebrity-crabs?lite
Why is Homo capitalized?
That is where all the legislature and state representatives meet. Homines Sapientes used to be the capitol til they moved it.
Thanks!
WMG.........Garrison warned us about people like you........with that in mind...when an alien attempts to speak to us, my vote to take on an alien, would be an English Graduate. A few minutes of corrections would send them back home. Ok, now the show Twilight Zone just came on.....coincidental?
I was just so paranoid about writing this much as I am waiting for you to drop some corrections on me!
You will find me in the Chatterbox Cafe if you need me!
Kelsey Grammar? Heck, he can kick their ass. Hey Joe Rogan, remember you heard it here first. Aliens vs Kelsey Grammar. Pay per view, lots of dollars. The possibilities are endless.
The Twilight Zone just came on? There are no such things as coincidences. This is an omen...dudedoodoodudedoo....(ok, if someone can come up with a better attempt at the theme music, have at it)
mygirlq1: Thanks. I love it and I will use it and credit you. dudedoodoodudedoo...
On the other hand, it could be the definition of a surfer dude's excrescence. :)
Swear as I was typing it came on. Lumpy Rutherfords dad/actor guy... was a plant Mgr and the robots took the plant over....On the We channel in MPLS.
Music was fine...little bongo needs to be added......My sisters had so many nightmares watching that show, yet they watched each show. The one show where the lady was deformed and all the Dr's wore masks...and her plastic surgery failed and she looked gorgeous/Monroe type, when Dr.s all took off surgery masks they all had pig nose faces making the gorgeous blonde the ugly one to them.....
I had my toy six guns under the pillow so I was never scared......monsters knew to stay under the bed!
@Starsailing
I rarely correct people's grammar and when I do, it's usually to elucidate them on the proper use (as above) rather than to belittle their education... though sometimes, the grammar Nazi in me just starts shouting things and insists on wearing a too-tiny mustache and... well, then it's war.
As for: Monsters Under the Bed.
Nanu nanu
They're just like insects from your Earth, larger of course, with a higher degree of intelligence....
If aliens show up, and are hostile, we will lose. Period. They're much more technologically advanced than we are simply because they made the trip. Plus, they don't need amazing weapons. They can simply drop rocks from orbit and wipe us out if inclined to do so.
We have Slim Whitman recordings of him singing, we are invincible.......
The Aliens will decide who they will talk to. We have been sending signals out into space for about 100yrs. now. The Aliens will know who they want to talk to.
Some scientist once said I believe as our radio and TV signals move out into space they dissipate. They will become indistinguishable noise, with very little power left, and so be almost undetectable even to our nearest start.
Robert , have you been talking to them without telling us .... ??
They have been communicating with us for a very long time now. They are not friendly. They engage in mind control, look at what is happening in Congress, perfect example of alien thought patterns.
I don't know, when the aliens land and meet with our politicians they will be laughing so hard they won't be able to speak for months.
If they do come, they would take Obama back home.
NAHHHH!!
They already see how much he has screwed up on Earth.
If they leave him here, they will save a killing on invasion expenditures.
Viewer....Romney already had contact with aliens...
What did Romney do with his illegal aliens?
ROMNEY CAUGHT with HIRING ILLEGAL aliens
When Romney was caught hiring Illegal aliens to work on his landscaping, did he just fire them or did he call ICE and have them deported?....We all know the answer to that one don't we! He did nothing! He kept hiring the same firm and did it all over again.......Good ol turn em loose Romney. Repubs say illegals are criminals, so Romney is a criminal for hiring them. Christ he is a multimillionaire and he couldn't hire Americans to do the jobs. Had to get a few more pennies from American workers......GREED GREED GREED at your expense.
Hey star.
How do you think the rich get rich?
They prey on the less intelligent.
Welcome to America, where YOU too can succeed!
(just ask Obama, who preys on the ignorant for votes to succeed.)
Funny how the almost $16 trillion dollar unstoppable , record high , American debt is an expense dumped on the U.S.A.'s tax payers back ....
Someone in office can't even seem to slow it down at all ....
Would the Aliens have to know or find out that America is broke .... ??
One thing for sure about the aliens, they realize that as a species, American voters have a remarkable ability to shoot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly.
Ridiculous, it's 10% at most
I believe in other life in the universe. Visited here during the time of man? Nope
Dang....there goes the explanation for old Uncle Ed!
The light years involved make two way conversations impossible.
Even if we did receive a signal, it could be so old that the extraterrestrials could be long dead.
Gil....not in the Twilight Zone!
Bob: You talk in terms of "could". You should say "would". Life cannot exist without death. It takes a bit of thought but think about it.
Obama will want to tax them. Since they're aliens, they'll be safe in DC. And perhaps give them public assistance. I don't think they'll be wanting to use our school systems.
They will communicate using that radio telescope array out in the desert. Hasn't anyone seen Cosmos?
Cosmos?....Yeah Cosmos Topper, the guy who had two ghosts for pals, great movie, and TV show!
Seriously???
Not that bored.....
Don't worry about it. They probably don't exist.
OR we can let Biden talk to them, that should confuse them long enough for republicans to draw up a battle plan.
However, if he does you can be assured they won't invade anyway.
They might want to come back in a few billion years to see if liberals have matured.
Viewer....republican plan to fight aliens, attack them with voter suppression laws, attack them by giving more tax breaks and subsidies for the rich 1%. Destroy Social security and Medicare, destroy the Post office. Give more tax breaks to companies outsourcing jobs, attack Eric Holderwith false story of gun running(debunked today as total lie and Issa knew it). Will those actions stop alien attack? Of Course not...but the Ryan Plan is the only plan they have.
So you think that the Aliens may be coming here to vote .... "LOL"
And if so , for who .... ??
I get it now.
In your mind you MUST be "Starsailing".
And If they do come down and talk to Obama, the first thing he would do is give them voter registration forms.
Are these aliens legal or illegal? If they are coming here illegally then Obama will pull out all the stops for them, offer them any and everything, all free, of course. In exchange for the freebies, they will have to sell their souls and vote for Obama.
or if conservatives have evolved into human beings
Romney will have them working on his lawn crew.......again....
Viewer.......Thinking...is the best way to travel.................That's for all you Moody Blues fans.....
That reminds me of my date with Kim Kardashian last night.........too bad I woke up after 4 hrs....she found an elephant in my pajamas, how it got there I'll never know.
Enough about me, let's talk about you...How do you like me so far? Sometimes...an alien is just an alien.
Viewer.....yup..you get it. Starsailing nick name goes back to 1970. Some nights , I would pick out a star, and drive in that direction....some nights great adventure, some nights .....Cold hearted Orb, that rules the night, removes the color from our sight...........also the name of my hunter jumper I used to own and train and Theme drag racing 442 car.....works for me.
Here we go the again now the aliens are coming to get us lol!!! (be afraid all the time now people be very afraid just like you're supposed to be with al qeada) what a bunch of utter crap, do I believe that there is alien life out there yes are they hostile perhaps.
But they are far and in between, hostile aliens probably come in on the scale of 1-5% all these hollywood movies are nothing more then propaganda As far as I'm concerned. When was the last time you saw a movie come out that protrayed aliens as being peaceful and friendly try never people and why do you ask.
because they the controllers (NWO) want to put out a perception that all alien life will be bad when and if we encounter it so that we will be hoarded into the arms of our government and in turn people will give up whatever civil liberties we have left so that we can be protected from the aliens and then we will truly be in a military police state for life.
And don't give me some crap that I'm a conspiracy therorist or I'm an anti semite or a holocost denier because I don't want to here it!!! this is reality folks except it for what it is, infact go and look up Project Blue Beam and Project Greenstar and see for yourself what they have planed for us.
I happen to think that there are many races within this galaxy, but I think it is likely that most of them are not as far along as we are, or they are on a similar level of tech. I would think that there are comparatively few races in the galaxy that are 1000 to 1 million years ahead of us and I think those races that are extremely advanced, are relatively peaceful.
Really, you would actually expect that there would be "evil" extremely intelligent races in the galaxy, but just like here on earth, there is probably a "good" race of extremely advanced aliens that counter balances the equation.
Who knows, maybe we are in a section of a "good" alien empires territory that is designated a indigenous life-form preserve. We may actually already be protected against the bad aliens. Who knows.
We don't think twice about killing a cow for food.
Think about it.
That is us. We have no idea if any other intelligent life would think that way. You could be right, but one would think the harvest would be going on full speed ahead by now. There are over 7 billion ripe tomatoes to be plucked on this planet.
In any event, one thing I think we all know is that what ever they would be like, they would almost certainly think much differently from us.
True, they could be vegans and see us as grapes.
And an Ivy plant as intelligent life.
Mobile and ambulatory grapes...I like it.
One thing is certain: We are just as, if not more, sinister or evil as they would ever be. Big teeth, big claws, big guns - none of them can touch the twisted mind of a human. All they have to do is strip something from us that we hold dear (the basics), and we'll turn like a mad dog. After all, we kill each other for much less.
Ivy plant huh?...Well that explains why they grow better when talked to!
Bob.......Strip something that we hold dear...?.......Well there goes my virginity again!....I get so tired of being treated like a piece of meat!
First SETI is a waste of cash. If we are going to be contacted it is most likely going to be with a non-radio based communication. Aliens would never use radio communications to talk to each other if they are an inter-stellar species due to the limitations and lag that would be caused by the speed of light. The communications they would use would be most likely based on some quantum or entanglement technology allowing them or instant or near instant communications regardless of distance. With this said it makes sense that the "radio" age of any civilization would be about 2-3 hundred years meaning in the grand scheme of things, their radio age-signal would be only a blip in their timeline. We will probably be out of it our radio age by the end of this century based on the developments going on now at the various federal, and university labs. I believe that is when we will be contacted because when we tune in and hear communications by thousands or even millions of civilizations that have achieved this technological breakthrough (based on physics) we will need to be told the rules of the road since all will be using it. WE will be contacted by the inter-stellar FCC, LOL!
SETI has been funded through private funding since 1995.
On the other hand, how much has been wasted on campaigning for the position of President? Probably much more with significantly less produced.
Yup.
Presidential election funding IS disgusting. So much more could be done with that money.
Presidential ELECTIONS are so disgusting. We have more fun and get more accomplished discussing aliens....Wouldn't it be better to get a FDR and Eisenhower re enactor, and set them up as Pres and VP and make them only act the same way those two did? Take the super pac money and buy a chicken for every pot? MyGirl gets a rubber chicken.....eh?
I agree with you on this one Mike, at first I thought that radio communications (via EMR) was the way we would be getting contacted, but the more I think about quantum entanglement and the way it works, chances are, they've mastered this technology as we are progressing to master it now, but we have to assume they are hundreds if not thousands, maybe even MILLIONS of years ahead of us... Think of where we rate in the ballpark of physics compared to that length of time? .. Where do you think WE'LL be in a thousand years in physics, and then you'll get some idea of where they are. For those of you that are not familiar with the speeds of the universe, the speed of light is like a turtle crawling across the state of Texas when compared to the size of just ONE galaxy, maybe even slower! :)
I think they will monitor a broadcast of Jersey Shore or Teen Mom and just turn around and go back home.
Hello.....this is Lawrence....Lawrence, Kansas.....is there anyone there...anyone at all?
Spoken by the High Commander from 3rd Rock From the Sun (John Lithgow)
Spock, Spock! Where is your communicator?
Are we really polling Americans on aliens? Don't we have enough with immigration reform for aliens from just across the borders as it is to worry about beings from other worlds?
They say it would be about a 500 light years old received signal we'd be hearing ....
Then a reply from us is another 500 light years away ....
Then another 500 light year response ....
I don't really think that people are that patient anymore ....
Ben........right on the patient people nowadays......people go nuts if they have to wait a minute after placing order at McDonalds.
I was down In Ft Polk Louisianna, spring of 70. At about 11:30 at night, the sky lit up around us for about 2 seconds as if it was in the middle of day, high noon. Everywhere around us turned to perfect daylight. No sound of anything, no flashing or streak of anything............Total WTF........My old Army friends talk about it now and then. But back then....you kept your mouth closed.......it was too crazy to talk about. Military told us...you saw nothing. Didn't happen. Supposed it was aerial nuke going off, or meteor......Defintely not Northern lights.....I do get weak and dizzy though.... around this green glowing rock.....
Try not to let it bother you starsailing ....
Maybe think of it as a nice unique experience of some kind ....
Enjoy as much as you can , when ever you can , for as long as you can ....
I'll give you a vote for that one ....
But I still don't care for Obama ....
Sorry ....
OK, you heard it here first, I will indeed wait five hundred years for just about any communication coming from space. As to bright lights at night, there are those Marfa lights.
Then I have a friend who lives in far West Texas, no people for miles, not even illegals, too remote. He set up a 'critter cam' at his stock tank, wanted to see what all was drinking from same. He got some pictures of a little girl, perhaps five years old, dressed in a long shirt with a sash. Now, this is not a person whom one would consider a practical joker he is the most serious and sincere soul you could hope to meet.
I saw the pics, it was profoundly creepy. Little girl in the literal middle of nowhere, at night, unattended at a stock tank. Got her coming, standing by the tank and leaving the tank.
I spent time at Ft Sam in Texas too. Out on manuvers in middle of cattle herd, the Texas boys went out and did some cow tipping.......maybe the little girl was doing the same. You would think he would try to find her spooky or not.....
Texas boys got bit by a rattler at night. We were all medics....guy was bit bad...someone had to suck the poisen out. He told us where he was bit, and wondered out loud if he was going to be ok, we all replied....looks like your going to die, nothing we can do.
Ok , I made the snake bite up, have to use that one now and then....
Marfa Lights.......thought those were some kind of cigarettes for women!
If W. was bitten by a rattlesnake, would the rattlesnake die?