When the aliens call, who'll answer?

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In a recently conducted poll, 19 percent of the respondents said they thought Washington, D.C., would be the most likely landing zone for a UFO. But if that ever happened, who's the best person to lead the welcoming party? About 65 percent said they'd rather have Barack Obama than Mitt Romney handle the situation.


A new poll suggests that 77 percent of Americans think there's evidence that aliens have already visited Earth. The same poll suggests most Americans think President Barack Obama would do a better job than presumptive GOP challenger Mitt Romney if we had to fight off an alien invasion. And if we have to rely on a superhero to save us, they'd rather go with the Hulk than Batman.

That somewhat silly survey was conducted to tout a "Chasing UFOs" TV series on the National Geographic Channel, but the results raise a serious question: If an alien civilization does get in touch with us, who's in charge of figuring out what to do?

"Nobody's in charge," says Seth Shostak, who is senior astronomer at the California-based SETI Institute as well as the chairman of the International Academy of Astronautics' SETI Permanent Study Group. Shostak and I talked about SETI — the search for extraterrestrial intelligence — as well as its serious and silly implications tonight on "Virtually Speaking Science." The hourlong talk show is archived as a podcast on the Web and on iTunes.


As the poll done for National Geographic suggests, a good number of people suspect the aliens have already arrived, presumably on UFOs or through interdimensional travel. Most scientists scoff at that idea. "Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos?" British physicist Stephen Hawking asked earlier this month. But Shostak thinks it's only a matter of time before extraterrestrial civilizations actually do make themselves known, by sending signals across the light-years. Almost a decade ago, he predicted that we'd detect those signals by the year 2025, and today he told me he's sticking by that prediction.

During our pre-show interview, Shostak laid out his rationale for the 2025 date and discussed how an alien-contact scenario is likely to go down. Check out this edited transcript of the Q&A.

Cosmic Log: Do you still feel that 2025 is a good time frame for alien contact? And maybe more importantly, how do we know we're getting closer to the date?

SETI Institute

Seth Shostak is senior astronomer at the SETI Institute.

Shostak: People ask, 'Are you getting close?' And we no more know whether we're getting close than Chris Columbus knew he was getting close to the Americas — we might some palm fronds a day or two out, but other than that, we don't know. In some sense, it'll come as a complete surprise if we get a signal. We know that from false alarms. They never occur when you expect them, because you never expect them.

But in terms of the prediction, that's based on the following: We're looking for needles in a haystack. If you ask, when are you going to find a needle, you need to know three things: How big is the haystack? How fast are you going through the hay? And how many needles are in there? We know two out of three. The haystack's the galaxy, and we know how fast we're going through it. We don't know the number of needles. So I took estimates of the number from the Drake Equation, and figured that it's two dozen years out. What's happened in the meantime is that the funding crisis has slowed things down a bit.

Q: Do you think you need to revise the 2025 date?

A: I think 2025, 2030 is about right, given that we can continue to do the experiment.

Q: Is it a steady process, or is there an increasing rate of hay examination?

A: This is all predicated on an increasing rate. That's the march of technology, which is mostly digital electronics. Computers keep getting faster and faster at any given price point, and that's good news for us. We can look at a larger chunk of the radio dial at once. We can go through the stars faster. Or we can look at bigger hunks of sky at once. It's mostly computing power that is responsible for the increasing speed of SETI. We're not sitting around with earphones the way Jodie Foster was.

Q: Could it be that the patterns of communication by extraterrestrial civilizations take a form completely different from what we assume?

A: We kind of know what areas SETI is weak in. It's been slow, in the sense that you've got a couple of hundred billion star systems in the galaxy, and if you can look at only a couple a day, that's really slow going. That might take forever. Can we look at more stars in a given time, with adequate sensitivity?

The second thing is, it may be that you really have to look for a long time at any given star system. Of course, we don't do that. We look at any given star system, at any given frequency, for at most a few minutes. Some other search programs look for one and a half seconds at any given star system. If the aliens are broadcasting in our direction once a week, or once a day, or once an hour, we're not going to see it. We know that's a problem.

Another issue is that the aliens may not know we're here because they haven't picked up 'I Love Lucy' yet. They don't know Homo sapiens is here, they just know that Earth is a planet with biology. They may not be motivated to target us relentlessly with reality television. They may broadcast now and then, with a little ping just to see if anybody's here. You really need an experiment that can pick up an intermittent, maybe one-off signal that's designed to ping the planet. Everybody knows that. That's a technology issue, but it's an issue that's getting better.

"Daily Show" writer Kevin Bleyer joins "The Last Word" on MSNBC to talk politics and aliens.

Q: Has anybody come up with a concept for an all-sky, all-the-time receiver?

A: Yeah, well, all-sky, all the time, all frequencies — that's what you'd looove to have. On paper, you can design an instrument that can look at the entire sky. All frequencies, that's another problem, but you can certainly cover more frequencies than we do. It's all a question of whether you can afford to build such an instrument. The answer is, no, not now. It takes an enormous amount of computing power to do that. However, one thing you can say about the future is that there will be more computing power. This is not impossible. This is not like building rockets to go at 99 percent of the speed of light. That might work on paper, too, but in practice, that's a long way off. But this is something where you can say, with the computing power of a few decades hence, it becomes a practical thing.

Q: Assuming that alien signals are detected by 2025, is humanity ready for that?

A: Well, I don't know how much planning has been done. We've revised some protocols, but those are just the immediate steps you take if you pick up a signal. They deal with practical matters, like checking the signals out and alerting everybody. But I don't know that there's any large-scale effort to prepare humanity, any more than there was any preparation by the Indians in the Caribbean in case a Spanish ship showed up. I don't think that's a problem, to be honest. In poll after poll, the public has said they believe the aliens are out there. They see them on television every night, and at the movies every third weekend. A third of 'em think the aliens are already here, but they don't see a problem with that, either. Nobody's staying home. Everybody's still going to work.

I think that psychologically, everybody could handle it. It's just going to be a big news item. Whatever it would be, people would find it interesting. But they'd be savvy enough to realize there's no immediate threat. The aliens would be 500 light-years away, and we pick up their signal.  There's no reason to think that people would go just completely non-linear.

The long-term consequences are less predictable. People would ask, should we broadcast back? Should we send a rocket in that direction? What should we do?

Q: Who would be in charge if there was an alien signal? Assuming that scientists confirm that there's an anomalous signal pattern, hinting at extraterrestrial intelligence, what's the procedure?

A: I don't think that there's anybody designated to be in charge. There was a flap a few years ago, involving an official at the U.N., but that was all a red herring. She quickly admitted that she's not in charge. Nobody's in charge.

Look, the real people who will be in charge will be the media, because they'll be reporting it. In some sense, whoever finds the signal is probably in charge. If it's us, then somebody at the SETI Institute will be called. Or suppose it's the Berkeley group. Well, they're in charge. Or maybe it's a group that comes across the signal by accident. There's no hierarchy. Anyway, you know how the media work — they're not going to follow the rules.

MSNBC's Ed Schultz, host of "The Ed Show" puts a political spin on a poll from National Geographic that suggests Americans prefer President Barack Obama over Mitt Romney on the alien-invasion issue.

There's no danger in any of this, except for one thing: That's the idea that you're sitting around, and suddenly there's a signal, and you call a press conference. That's not the way it will happen. We get signals all the time, and someday one of those signals will pass all the tests, and it slowly emerges as a real signal. But it takes something on the order of five days before you're convinced. During all that time, the media knows about this, because there is no secrecy. But there's no press conference yet, because the scientists aren't yet sure themselves. This time lag means there will be all sorts of stories before the official word is out. It isn't because of leakage, it's because anytime anybody finds something interesting, they may mention it. They'll put it on their blog. Who knows what they'll do?

It'll be very, very messy. And the corollary to this is that you can probably expect a lot of false alarms. There'll be something interesting, and a lot of people will write about it, and three days later it turns out to be nothing.

Q: Some people worry that our own radio signals are advertising our presence in what could be a rough neighborhood, but I take it that's not a concern of yours.

A: There are people who get their knickers in a knot about this deliberate broadcast stuff. National Geographic is supposed to be collecting tweets to broadcast as an answer to the "Wow Signal." I personally don't get heartburn about broadcasting. The fact is that NBC is broadcasting all the time, right? You can say, well, that's a weak signal. Sure it is. But if you're really worried about broadcasting into space, don't just shut down the publicity stunts. You better shut down the radars at the Seattle-Tacoma airport, too. They're broadcasting into space all the time.

Tune in "Virtually Speaking Science" on BlogTalkRadio or in Second Life — and bring lots of questions. Seth Shostak and I were at the StellaNova Small Auditorium, courtesy of the Meta Institute for Computational Astrophysics, at 9 p.m. ET (6 p.m. PT/SLT) tonight. If you missed the live event, don't worry: It's archived by "Virtually Speaking" on BlogTalkRadio as well as iTunes.

More nuggets from the National Geographic UFO poll: 

  • The "Aliens Among Us" survey polled a random nationwide sample of 1,114 Americans between May 21 and May 29. The poll was conducted by Kelton Research, which used email invitations and online surveys. Quotas were set to ensure reliable and accurate representation of the total U.S. population ages 18 and older. Margin of error is +/- 2.9 percent.
  • More than one-third of those surveyed (36 percent) believe UFOs exist. Eleven percent are confident they've spotted a UFO, and 20 percent know someone who claims to have seen one.
  • Nearly two-thirds (65 percent) said Obama would be better-suited than Romney to handle an alien invasion. Seventy-nine percent believe the government has kept information about UFOs a secret from the public. Nineteen percent think Washington, D.C., is the most likely landing zone for a UFO, while 28 percent think a UFO would touch down in Roswell, N.M.
  • Seventy-seven percent think there are signs that suggest aliens have visited Earth. Most of these people said that the evidence came in the form of photographs (60 percent) and videos (57 percent) of UFOs.
  • If aliens landed, 22 percent said they would try to befriend the visitors. Fifteen percent said they would run away, 13 percent said they would lock their doors, and 2 percent said they would try to inflict bodily harm.
  • Seventy-one percent think that aliens are more likely to exist than are superheroes, vampires and zombies. But if aliens attacked Earth, 21 percent said they would most likely call on the Hulk to deal with the havoc, compared with Batman (12 percent) or Spider-Man (8 percent). Fifty-five percent believe there really are officials like the "Men in Black" who claim to be agents and threaten those who come forward with UFO sightings. 

Previous episodes of "Virtually Speaking Science":


Seth Shostak has a talk show, too! Hear it at "Big Picture Science."

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I am not a fan of Obama, but since he allows all aliens, illegal or otherwise, into the country without any questions asked, I think he rather than Romney would welcome aliens from outer space without asking for their papers.

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Reply#53 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:31 PM EDT

Yeah Obama would welcome them with open arms, give em free room and board, free health care, and cash money to go along with it..and provide em with jobs....call it job creation...LOL

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#53.1 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:35 PM EDT
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Pathetic! The last thing we need is any part of the government "greeting" and possible alien visitation. I have no doubt there are far more intelligent people on this planet that would be far more suited for this task then the clowns in government.

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Reply#54 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:44 PM EDT

Without question ....

    #54.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:03 AM EDT
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    I can see it now. Groups of people gathering to welcome them, chanting, "We are the 77%". lol

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    Reply#55 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:49 PM EDT

    "LOL"

    Good one YankeeRose555 ....

      #55.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 AM EDT
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      I don't think it would end up being anyone in Washington D. C. or in any big city. They would all go hide and ask the Secret Service to take care of it. And for the reckoning, it will be what we call a dumb country bunkin that has no college education, math skills or even science skills to figure out what to do.

        Reply#56 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:52 PM EDT

        Most likely any intelligent alien life out there will understand that it's not in their best interest to broadcast their location to the universe. They would understand just how dangerous that might be. If an advanced alien life out there is looking for a new home, because they may have already used up all their resources in their own solar system, what better way for them to find an alive planet than to have one that's broadcasting right to them saying 'Here we are! Hi, we're here and we are looking for friends. Come say hi to us.' Bad idea. Trust me, we do not want them coming here. There wont be any communication between us and them (have you ever tried to communicate with an ant? Doesn't work, does it?) they will most likely only want one thing, our planet and it's resources. They will have the same remorse for killing us as we do when killing a spiders nest with babies and all. I know one thing that's for sure, we DO NOT want them here at our planet, at least not until we are ready to defend ourselves...

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        #56.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:35 AM EDT
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        Any show/producer that gets these authors together for a documentary would have a group that would cover all ufo stuff of most credibility: Jaques Vallee, Jim Marrs, Nick Pope, Thomas Bullard, Leslie Kean and there are several others with lots of fun stuff to read at a good library. I advise books, and there are good ones from 1960's through now to see the amount of consistency over the decades.

          Reply#57 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:52 PM EDT

          Obama will answer because he welcomes all illegal aliens and wants them to stay here forever.

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          Reply#58 - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:58 PM EDT

          correct me but wasn't Obama one of the guys at area 51, maybe an alien, I'm not certain. But in a multidemensional, multiuniverse quantum reality who knows for sure.

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          Reply#59 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:06 AM EDT

          I think you mean the multiverse. Obama's citizenship status would definitely be in question there.

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          #59.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:35 AM EDT
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          The only thing I would trust BO to do is continue screwing over America, and Americans and stealing the peoples money. Just like illegal aliens from other countries he would likely just had the keys to the kingdom over to the aliens from outer space. Thanks but I will go it alone with my family and friends.

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          Reply#60 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:15 AM EDT

          I'm just a nobody but I do feel that their predictions are way, way off. They say that according to 'The Drake Equation' there are at least 6 other alien planets out in our galaxy (the Milky Way) alone, that hold alien life at least as intelligent as our own. My own personal belief if that in galaxys between 100 billion and 200 billion stars that there is only about a less than 10% chance of them having intelligent life that's at least as sophisticated as ours. You have to remember that before we came to be here on earth over 99% of all life that has ever lived on earth had been extinct by the time we even got to be. That means that out of the billions of different species alive today on this planet from bugs to plants to fish and microbes 99 percent of the things before them are long dead and gone. So out of the hundreds of billions of life forms that have formed on earth only one has/had the intelligence to look for alien life elsewhere. And that's us. Therefore take the same numbers- the 1 in 100 billion chance of intelligent life ever forming on any other alien planet- and multiply that by the number of possible life forming planets in any galaxy and the numbers come out to be way less than the numbers the Drake Equation came out with. So my guess is that it's going to take quite a bit longer to find that alien life out there. Right now as we sit with our technology, we have virtually a zero percent chance of finding intelligent alien life with the technology we currently have. My guess is that it will be another 40 or 50 years until we hit pay dirt so to speak, minimum, by that time our technlgy. might have of advanced far enough, maybe. Again, and maybe we get lucky and hit it tomorrow but I wouldn't bet on it. I believe our technology has to advance a lot further before we ever have a chance, a real chance at finding the advanced alien life out there that we are looking for. Because it is out there, its just not as prevalent as everyone thinks...

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          Reply#61 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:17 AM EDT

          How cute! There's at least a 99% chance that you and our best rocket scientists have no idea what they are looking at or dealing with. Besides, my cousin Vinnie has a hunting dog and that hound is constantly looking for intelligent life elsewhere.

            #61.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:23 AM EDT

            I dated a rocket scientist once...boy did he have a BIG rocket! ;))

              #61.2 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:42 AM EDT
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              We should all be upset if we find out that the Obama administration is spending tons of stimulus money on the aliens. But blame it on the Republicans and President Ike. They say he traded abductees and cattle for alien technology. Holy fiber optics and silicon on the rocks , Batman!

                Reply#62 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:17 AM EDT

                If aliens call, I want to ask them if they clean toilets. I also want to know if they speak English, since I really hate speaking Spanish all the time + I want to see their green card - I don't care if it is fake.

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                Reply#63 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:17 AM EDT

                The only ones that will greet them will be the military... The government doesn't like what it doesn't understand, and if they can't tax them then they'll do what they can to make them go away... Or force them to destroy us.

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                Reply#64 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:21 AM EDT

                New Agers have been channeling aliens for centuries which may explain why no one can communicate with them either. Those sweat lodges are advancing the human race exponentially [sic].

                  Reply#65 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:31 AM EDT

                  Of course lib scum would pick barry to lead the fart. He is an alien.

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                  Reply#66 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:33 AM EDT

                  I hope it's in this month. It's gay pride month, and I hope they bring the probe.

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                  Reply#67 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:34 AM EDT

                  Of course the aliens have been here..they came, they saw reality TV & chose NOT to eat our brains, they decided to get the hell out of Dodge & left us with Tom Cruise!

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                  Reply#68 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:36 AM EDT

                  We are the aliens.
                  We arrived at the planet and take the form of the more "intelligent": Los Primates
                  We have multiplied in a disorderly way, having wiped out a large number of native species and endangering the continuity of the planet.

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                  Reply#69 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:36 AM EDT

                  The chances of having any communications with aliens is about 0%.

                  We have ample evidence that all life forms have the potential for extinction and humans are no exception. Through evolution, new species arise through the process of speciation, where new varieties of organisms arise and thrive when they are able to find and exploit an ecological niche and species become extinct when they are no longer able to survive in changing conditions or against superior competition. The relationship between animals and their ecological niches has been firmly established. A typical species becomes extinct within 10 million years of its first appearance.

                  Scientists have estimated that humans branched off from their common ancestor with chimpanzees about 5–7 million years ago. Hence, by our own estimates we have 3-5 millions years left.

                  That means civilizations like ours have only a 3-5 million year gap to find other civilizations in our galaxy assuming there is an overlap of both civilizations existing at the same time. This gap may even be too small to find any remnants of already extinct civilizations.

                    Reply#70 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:38 AM EDT

                    Scientists, even Stephen Hawking, are the last people to go to for intelligent comments about UFOs and possible alien visitations of our planet. Because the study of UFOs is considered a whacko's job, almost all scientist have avoided the subject for fear of damaging their professional reputations and their careers. So why would you solicit comments from someone who is not an expert in the subject matter? Indeed, why would you solicit comments from someone who has actually avoided the subject matter?

                    Of the few scientists who have studied the subject matter (Jacques Vallee, J. Allen Hynek, and John Mack come to mind), many have determined that the phenomenon is real, whether or not it is actually "alien" in nature.

                      Reply#71 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:42 AM EDT

                      So why would you solicit comments from someone (scientists) who is not an expert in the subject matter?

                      Say what?

                        #71.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 AM EDT

                        the phenomenon is real, whether or not it is actually "alien" in nature

                        The phenomenon in question is actual "aliens," and if they're not real, they don't count.

                          #71.2 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:17 AM EDT
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                          I believe if aliens land on our planet, they should land on American Soil. Unlike foreign countries, it is much easier to gain legal residency. They will have to go through the tough Immigration and Naturalization, but it is worth is. If they land in China, they will only be allowed to have only one alien baby, not to mention other restrictions on freedoms we enjoy.

                          The exeption of course is my concern for diet. What if the aliens land and decide to include humans in their diet? If that be the situation, than Obama should decide to tell the aliens to do to Africa where eating humans a social expectation in many areas. The exeption may be parts of Texas.

                          Sooner or later some human is going to decide to have sex with an alien. Somebody had sex with a primate and sparked the AIDS virus and I have a similar concern with an outbreak of a similar thing regarding Aliens. Then we would have the Alien Immunodeficiency Virus (AIV).

                          The Aliens perhaps could help us get rid of the spent nuclear reactor rods that are laying around still to this day at the power generating facilities. Maybe we could create a new moon out of the spent reactor rods? Hey, we could even combine all that Space Junk with it. It can be called, "Operation Death Star". This effort would ultimately make space travel safer for us all!!!

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                          Reply#72 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:49 AM EDT

                          You were all over the place with that one Bennett Mills ....

                          I thought AIDS may have been started from the consuming or eating of raw monkey brains .... ??

                          But I guess they don't really know how it first entered the human body ....

                          And combining all of the space junk is a good idea ....

                          Computer images of all the space junk makes our atmosphere look like a littered trash dump of sorts ....

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                          #72.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:18 AM EDT

                          Would'nt it be something if the White House invited the Aliens to a Presidential Dinner, and the Aliens ate the President, his family, as well as the whole White House Staff?

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                          #72.2 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:45 AM EDT
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                          Who you gonna call???? Ghost Busters!

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                          Reply#73 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:01 AM EDT

                          Home Alone,

                          In the cosmological scheme of things it would be sheer hubris on the part of the human species to believe that any technologically advanced civilization would have even the mildest interest in traversing deep space simply to visit or examine this rather primitive ant farm spinning silently around an average star in a mundane corner of the Milky Way Galaxy. If our species can somehow advance a thousand-fold over the next several milennia, perhaps then we will become an intruiging destination for an incredibly intelligent spacefaring species, or possibly become one ourselves and set out among the stars to seek our own destiny within the infinite space-time continuum.

                          Peace to all

                            Reply#74 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:02 AM EDT

                            Man, that would be so funny to watch if aliens ever did come here. To see all the sci-fi idiots rolling out the red carpet for them with champagne and caviar, thinking they have just found a new friend. I'd love to see the look on their faces when the are, if their lucky only put in chains and kept as slaves. But more than likely they will just be killed straight out. I mean if your an alien, why risk the chance of one of us killing one of them? Their not out travelling through space looking for friends here, this isn't Mr. Rogers Neighborhood here. See the aliens will understand, unlike us, that there is no god, and they will not be punished for what they do. They will know that in life, only the strongest survive. Survival of the fittest is the ONLY thing that matters. None of this bible BS like do unto others as you will have done unto you. Since they will have progressed so far, they wont need the comfort of an imaginary religion to sleep at night. They will be able to wipe us out in no time flat, without the slightest bit of remorse. Sorry to the religious people out there but it's unfortunately true. The aliens will not be landing here to see what kind of god we believe in. More than likely their civilization was born millions of years before Jesus or Muhamad or Abraham and Moses. They will not want to hear that Jesus died on the cross for their sins. They'll just want our planet and if we are standing in their way, well too bad for us...

                              Reply#75 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:03 AM EDT

                              i dont know what he problem is,, i see them once every 2 months in northern nevada, they land i go say hi and we talk abou tthe worlds problems nice ufo folk, go for rides, and have alil fun, but will seti or nasa or the airforce come with me? nope they dont belive me so i jsut go anyway lol someday they will go oh, he was right,

                                Reply#76 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:06 AM EDT

                                Something in my gut tells me that your post wasn't supposed to be a joke. Is that right? Are you just joking?

                                  #76.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:11 AM EDT
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                                  Anything of such advanced intelligence and tech. who could visit earth would not be comming in a "spaceship" or "flying saucer" or "UFO". They would visit us utilizing something like this thread (hint). I'll be back in a millenium or two

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                                  Reply#77 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:06 AM EDT

                                  Holy cow! "Time" flys by when you're having fun !!!!

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                                  #77.1 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:13 AM EDT

                                  Clever KEVIN-749492 .... "LOL"

                                    #77.2 - Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:21 AM EDT
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