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  • 15
    Jan
    2013
    10:23pm, EST

    NASA's chief revisits a make-believe space shuttle in its new locale

    Carla Cioffi / NASA

    NASA Administrator Charles Bolden pays a visit to the full-fuselage shuttle trainer, a mockup that found its way from Johnson Space Center to Seattle's Museum of Flight.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

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    NASA Administrator Charles Bolden took a crawl through Memory Lane in Seattle on Tuesday during a tour of the Museum of Flight's shuttle training mockup, which he and hundreds of other astronauts used to practice their moves in preparation for their missions.

    "This thing saw astronauts every single day, multiple times a day," Bolden told a small knot of journalists after he climbed in and out of the mockup's plywood cockpit.

    It was Bolden's first visit to the full-fuselage trainer since it was flown in pieces from NASA's Johnson Space Center to Seattle aboard a Super Guppy cargo plane last year, and then reassembled for display at the museum's Charles Simonyi Space Gallery. The museum's backers funded the gallery's construction in hopes that NASA would donate one of its three flown shuttles to the museum — but those spacecraft went instead to museums in California, Florida and at the Smithsonian near Washington, D.C.


    Seattle's wingless shuttle is one of several mockups that was used to familiarize astronauts with the layout of the actual orbiter. None of the controls actually work, but they're all in the right places, and there's a full-size payload bay that visitors can walk through. For an extra fee, museumgoers can take a "training session" that concludes with a visit to the tight quarters of the crew compartment.

    "It's been sold out every weekend," said Doug King, the museum's president and CEO.

    Some Seattleites might wish they had a "real" space shuttle in their aerospace-centric city, but Bolden argued that the mockup was a perfect match for the museum.

    "I hope I don't get in trouble with any of the other sites, but I think the Museum of Flight won the prize when it comes to education," Bolden said, "because no other place can have somebody essentially walk in the same footsteps that John Glenn, John Young and other people walked when they go through the payload bay, or go up on the flight deck, or go on the middeck. That's actually where we trained. Nobody else is going to be able to do that, even in a flown orbiter."

    Bolden is a former shuttle commander who flew on four space missions from 1986 to 1994. He and another retired astronaut, John Creighton, climbed through the mockup's hatch and up the ladder on Tuesday to revisit the cockpit where they spent so many hours preparing for flight — and to reminisce.

    Carla Cioffi / NASA

    NASA Administrator Charles Bolden reminisces with former astronaut John Creighton on the flight deck of the full-fuselage trainer at Seattle's Museum of Flight. The quarters are so tight that the camera lens shows Creighton in distorted perspective.

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    Charles Bolden flashes a smile as he prepares to climb through the hatch of the Museum of Flight's shuttle mockup.

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    Senator-astronaut John Glenn talks with crew trainer Sharon Jones prior to simulating the procedures for escaping from a troubled space shuttle, during a training session at the full-fuselage trainer at Johnson Space Center in 1998.

    Bolden pointed to a set of numbered bags hanging by a hatch at the top of the cockpit, and said those bags contained ropes that were thrown through the hatch so that astronauts could practice shimmying down the side of the shuttle. Today, that sounds like an outdated emergency measure — but at the time, it was an essential part of the training.

    "The only thing on your mind was, 'Just don't let me fall,'" Bolden said.

    The museum also features displays about the commercial successors to the shuttle — as well as a 5-ton rocket prototype donated by Amazon.com billionaire Jeff Bezos' space venture, Blue Origin, which has its headquarters in the Seattle area. During this week's visit to Seattle, Bolden is due to speak to a leadership conference at the Boeing Co., which is working on its own commercial spacecraft capable of carrying astronauts to and from the International Space Station. Bolden said Boeing, Blue Origin and other companies might well create new monuments to spaceflight in the years to come.

    "As they begin to fly," Bolden said, "and as many of them meet with success, they'll trade out a display board with an artifact."

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    Extra credit: Bolden climbed down the ladder from the mockup's flight deck just before I did, and he was kind enough to take hold of my shoe to guide my foot to the first rung of the ladder. This means I'm probably one of the few people in space history to be helped out of a shuttle cockpit by the top guy at NASA. Here's a fuzzy picture I posted to Twitpic, documenting the dubious achievement.

    More about space artifacts:

    • Shuttle-carrying jet lands in Houston for good
    • Shuttle Enterprise's museum reopens after Sandy
    • Cosmic Log archive on space history

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    Wright-Patterson in Dayton Ohio should of got something of this program (No shuttle, No mockup) Oh well. At least it will be seen by the public, and enjoyed. It's amazing that the shuttle program was started by the Nixon Adminastration (what foresight), well before general public knowledge on it.

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  • 1
    Sep
    2012
    2:09pm, EDT

    Get a sneak peek inside the shuttle mockup used by astronauts

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    Hundreds of (mostly non-working) switches, indicator lights and buttons are arrayed in the Full Fuselage Trainer's shuttle cockpit, which is part of the exhibit at Seattle's Museum of Flight.

    By Emily Shahan, GeekWire

    Some people in the Seattle region might have been disappointed last year when we didn’t land a real space shuttle. But after getting a behind-the-scenes look at the space shuttle trainer being assembled at Seattle’s Museum of Flight, I walked away feeling like we got lucky.

    This thing is awesome.


    Over the 30-year life of NASA’s space shuttle program, every astronaut spent hours upon hours practicing in the Full Fuselage Trainer, preparing for their missions. The interior of the trainer mirrors an actual space shuttle orbiter in almost every way imaginable — from the placement of the controls to the shape of the toilet.

    Stepping inside is a chance to walk in the footsteps of astronauts, and to see what they went through on their long journey into orbit.

    The trainer, delivered in pieces over the past few months, is now being assembled inside the Charles Simonyi Space Gallery at the Seattle museum. Our tour was led by Geoff Nunn, the exhibit developer.

    Childhood dreams were realized as there in front of me, dominating the room, stood a giant wooden space shuttle replica. The trainer is in pieces now but will be fully assembled by the end of September. The payload half is being outfitted with a new walkway where visitors will be able to walk though the trainer. The nose of the shuttle, housing the cockpit and living quarters, will be attached in its original place.

    We enjoyed the rare treat of actually getting to step inside the crew cabin and flight deck. The cabin is so tiny, it’s wild to think of seven people actually living in there (eating, sleeping, using the restroom, but no shower). The trainer is precise when it comes to layout and control placement, and some of the buttons are wired to work.

    Even the toilet is completely replicated, although Nunn told us that it’s non-working. Apparently, going to the bathroom in space takes such finesse that it requires its very own mockup for "training."

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    The Full Fuselage Trainer is not yet fully assembled at the Museum of Flight. The nose section, including the cockpit, is at left. The cargo bay is at right. Sometime this month, all the pieces will be put together.

    Everything has its place in the cabin. It’s lined with lockers carrying everything from delicate experimental equipment to athletic exercise bands. The cabin and flight deck are covered with patches of Velcro where tools and other necessities attach. NASA used special NASA blue Velcro strips to denote regular issue items and yellow Velcro for special astronaut-requested items.

    Climbing up a tiny ladder, you reach the flight deck, which is even smaller than the main cabin and covered in switches, dials, and gauges. I was momentarily tempted to act out every sci-fi film I’ve ever seen in a crazy montage. The coolest things on the flight deck are the controls for the robotic arm, the closed-circuit television screens of the payload area, and the bags that hold the ropes if one ever has to rappel down the side of the shuttle, using a system called "sky genie."

    When the exhibit opens this fall, be sure to visit this amazing icon of space transportation. In the meantime, click on over to GeekWire to see our exclusive gallery of space awesomeness.

    More about shuttle museum displays:

    • 'Hidden' space shuttle goes public in Houston
    • NASA gets set for shuttle transfers in LA and Florida
    • Crew compartment trainer goes to Ohio museum
    • Shuttle Discovery takes place of honor at Smithsonian

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    Roger, I have been in this trainer too. I'm pretty surprised that it was able to be dismantled and reassembled without falling to pieces. I am happy to keep everything possible from Shuttle though. The unfinished Shuttle outside the cafeteria at KSC is a real treat though. Frank, having an inside se …

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  • 30
    Jun
    2012
    4:20pm, EDT

    NASA's Super Guppy delivers piece of space shuttle history to Seattle

    John Brecher / msnbc.com

    A crowd in the Georgetown neighborhood of Seattle watches NASA's Super Guppy aircraft approach Boeing Field, carrying a key piece of a space shuttle mockup that will go on display at Seattle's Museum of Flight.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

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    SEATTLE — It may not be a real space shuttle, but it's ours.

    Today NASA delivered a key piece of the mockup that astronauts used for space shuttle practice to the Museum of Flight in Seattle, my hometown. And it arrived aboard one of the most ungainly-looking airplanes ever built. The wingless mockup is known as the Full Fuselage Trainer, or FFT. The plane has a nickname that's more colorful: the Super Guppy.

    The Super Guppy looks more like a Super Whale. The wide-body turboprop airplane has a cargo hold that's been built up into a bulbous shape, specifically to carry big stuff for outer space. Only five of the Guppies were ever produced, and they were used to cart spacecraft components around for the Gemini, Apollo, Skylab and shuttle programs. This Super Guppy is the only one of its kind still flying, and this week's odyssey with the most important piece of the Full Fuselage Trainer is one of the highest-profile flights the plane has ever taken.


    For decades, the plywood-built FFT sat in a building at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. The crew compartment — the part of the structure that was flown to Seattle today — was outfitted with all the buttons, switches, cockpit displays and middeck lockers that the real shuttles had. None of those gadgets worked, but they helped the astronauts get familiar with the layout before they started handling the real controls. Astronauts could also practice how they'd get out of the shuttle in the event of a landing-strip emergency.

    With the end of the space shuttle era, NASA's Johnson Space Center no longer needed the FFT, so the space agency decided to donate it for display. The Seattle museum made a play for one of the flown shuttles, and even built a shuttle-sized, 15,500-square-foot Space Gallery to display it in. But Seattle lost out to Florida, California, New York and the "other Washington" in the competition for Atlantis, Endeavour, Enterprise and Discovery. The Full Fuselage Trainer served as the consolation prize.

    Most of the FFT's plywood parts could be shipped up by traditional means for later assembly, but the shuttle crew compartment had to be transported all in one piece. That's why NASA's Super Guppy was called into service.

    The airplane has a 25-foot-high, 25-foot-wide, 111-foot-long cargo compartment — big enough to hold the mockup's most awkward piece, even when it's bound up in shrink wrap and a protective steel frame. Over the past couple of days, the Super Guppy has been making a journey from its home at Ellington Air Force Base in Texas, over to California, and then up to Seattle at a top speed of around 200 knots. It wasn't exactly a record-setting pace — but what the Super Guppy lacks in speed, it more than makes up for in the "What the Heck Is That?" department.

    The Guppy flew over my hometown and its surroundings with a Seattle-born astronaut, Greg Johnson, at the controls. Then it floated down to a landing right in front of the museum, which is adjacent to Boeing Field. One of the commentators at the museum called it a "beautifully ugly airplane."

    Washington Gov. Christine Gregoire pointed to the craft with pride as the sky spit down rain. "When we get together in Washington state, we can land the big whale right behind me," she said.

    Museum of Flight

    NASA's Super Guppy and a chase plane fly above the mostly cloudy skies of Seattle.

    Museum of Flight

    After its touchdown at Seattle's Boeing Field, the turboprop-powered Super Guppy taxis over to the Museum of Flight next door.

    Museum of Flight

    The entire front of the Super Guppy swings open to reveal the cargo inside.

    Museum of Flight

    The 65,000-pound Tunner 60K aircraft cargo loader and transporter rolls toward the Super Guppy.

    Museum of Flight

    The cargo compartment for the Full Fuselage Trainer, wrapped in protective plastic, has been taken out of the Super Guppy for a short ride on the Tunner transporter to its new home in the Museum of Flight's Charles Simonyi Space Gallery.

    Several thousand onlookers watched as the Super Guppy's entire front opened up to the side like a four-story-high door. 

    "It's really cool that it's actually able to fly," Allison Kirkman, a 10-year-old student at Spirit Ridge Elementary School in Bellevue, Wash., told me as she watched from the tarmac. "It's an amazing plane, and how they built it is cool, too."

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    The shrink-wrapped shuttle crew compartment was moved out of the wide-yawning Super Guppy onto a 65,000-pound mobile transporter, then rolled over to the museum's Charles Simonyi Space Gallery. Over the next couple of months, the shuttle mockup will be assembled in a place of honor, alongside a Russian Soyuz capsule and a prototype lander that was used in Blue Origin's spacecraft development program. Museumgoers like Kirkman will be able to walk through the shuttle mockup's cargo bay — and they might even be able to crawl through the crew compartment, just like the astronauts did.

    Kids, prepare to be amazed ... again.


    Alan Boyle is msnbc.com's science editor. Connect with the Cosmic Log community by "liking" the log's Facebook page, following @b0yle on Twitter and adding the Cosmic Log page to your Google+ presence. You can also check out "The Case for Pluto," my book about the controversial dwarf planet and the search for new worlds.

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    Had an amazing visit to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum annex The Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center near Washington Dulles International Airport in Virginia today. WOW. From the Enola Gay to Discovery, our nation's rich aviation and space history, along with aircraft from other nations including an A …

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  • 20
    Apr
    2012
    11:10am, EDT

    Shuttle Enterprise waits for NY debut

    Bill Ingalls / NASA

    The prototype space shuttle Enterprise is seen mated on top of NASA's modified Boeing 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft at Dulles International Airport in Virginia on Friday. Enterprise was the first orbiter built for the space shuttle program, but never went into orbit. It was used primarily for ground and flight tests within the atmosphere. Enterprise had been on display at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia, but is now being prepared for its new home at the Intrepid Sea Air and Space Museum in New York.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

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    A day after the space shuttle Discovery took its place at the Smithsonian, the prototype shuttle Enterprise is perched on a modified 747 jet for its journey to New York. Now the timing of the trip depends on East Coast weather.

    Overnight, Enterprise was towed out to Dulles International Airport and hoisted up into the air with two giant cranes. The jet, known as the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft or SCA, was brought underneath the 75-ton artifact. Then Enterprise was lowered down and "soft-mated" onto the plane at three attach points. The bolts will be tightened down for hard-mating on Saturday, in preparation for the big flight to New York.


    This is the same process that Discovery went through in Florida leading up to Tuesday's flight to Dulles for its installation at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, next to the airport. On Thursday, Enterprise was moved out of the space it held since the center's opening in 2003, and Discovery was moved in.

    NASA had been planning for Enterprise and the SCA to take off from Dulles as early as Monday morning, but this afternoon the space agency said the flight would be delayed due to a forecast of inclement weather in Washington as well as New York. "Managers will continue to review weather forecasts and announce a new flight date as soon as practical," NASA said in its advisory.

    When forecasters give the go-ahead, the shuttle-jet combo will head up the East Coast and do a series of New York flyovers. You can expect to see the double-decker behemoth sailing over the Statue of Liberty as well as the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, the retooled ship where Enterprise will be put on display. After the flyovers, the Enterprise will be set down at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

    The shuttle-jet flight is old hat for Enterprise: The craft was the first vehicle built for the space shuttle program, and got its name in part thanks to a write-in campaign by "Star Trek" fans. Unlike the fictional starship, NASA's Enterprise never flew in space. Instead, it was used for ground tests as well as aerodynamic test flights atop the 747 carrier plane. Once the shuttle launches ramped up, Enterprise was deemed no longer needed for testing. It was handed over to the Smithsonian in 1985. The Udvar-Hazy Center's James S. McDonnell Space Hangar was specifically designed to show off the Enterprise.

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    After the 2003 Columbia tragedy, some sections of the Enterprise's wing panels were removed for impact tests, and those tests made a huge contribution to the accident investigation. That demonstrated that the shuttles can continue to benefit the space program long after their retirement.

    It will take a few weeks for Enterprise to settle into its retirement home: The cranes will have to be set up for the shuttle's "demating" at JFK. Then Enterprise will have to be lifted onto a barge and brought up the Hudson River by a tugboat. The schedule calls for Enterprise to be hoisted aboard the Intrepid's flight deck sometime in June. It'll be put on display in a temporary climate-controlled pavilion this summer, and eventually housed in a permanent exhibit facility.

    After Enterprise, there's one more shuttle-jet flight on tap: the transfer of Endeavour from NASA's Kennedy Space Center to the California Science Center in Los Angeles. That cross-country trip, due to take place in the latter part of this year, is likely to spark a nationwide frenzy of "Spot the Shuttle" sightings.

    The last shuttle that flew in space, Atlantis, is going just down the road to Kennedy Space Center's visitor center, so there'll be no need to bring out the plane for that trip.

    For more pictures of the Enterprise-747 mating, check out NASA Headquarters' Flickr gallery. And to get updates on the timing of Enterprise's flight and the flyovers, keep tabs on NASA's website as well as msnbc.com's space news section.

    The protoype shuttle Enterprise will journey to the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum on the Hudson River. NBC's Brian Williams reports.

    More about the shuttle shuffle:

    • Astronauts revisit the shuttle's pros and cons
    • How NASA selected the shuttles' future homes
    • Seattle gets first pieces of shuttle trainer

    Updated 5:20 p.m. ET.

    Alan Boyle is msnbc.com's science editor. Connect with the Cosmic Log community by "liking" the log's Facebook page, following @b0yle on Twitter or adding Cosmic Log's Google+ page to your circle. You can also check out "The Case for Pluto," my book about the controversial dwarf planet and the search for other worlds.

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    I am glad that all three will be public accessible, but I wish that NASA had used more sense when determining where each should go. Having two in such close proximity on the Eastern Seaboard was really unfair to the rest of the United States.

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  • 19
    Apr
    2012
    8:36pm, EDT

    Astronauts revisit the shuttle debate

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    Retired senator-astronaut John Glenn is surrounded by other space veterans in front of the space shuttle Discovery during its handover to the Smithsonian at the Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Va., on Thursday. Glenn says the shuttles were "prematurely grounded" but accepts the shuttle program's end.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

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    For some veteran astronauts, today’s transformation of the shuttle Discovery into a museum exhibit is a cause for celebration. For others, it’s a reminder of their regrets. But for John Grunsfeld, the one-time “Hubble Hugger” who is now NASA’s science chief, the dominant feeling is a sense of relief.

    Discovery's handover to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum has re-ignited questions about the end of the 30-year space shuttle program. Why did they have to be retired? The short answer is that in the wake of the 2003 Columbia tragedy, policymakers decided that once the job of building the International Space Station was finished, it would just be too risky and expensive to keep the shuttles flying.


    Instead, President George W. Bush decided to re-target the space program on destinations beyond Earth orbit. For Bush, the first focus was going to be the moon. President Barack Obama shifted that initial focus to near-Earth asteroids, but the endpoint is the same: eventually getting to Mars. And the shuttles could never do that. They weren't built to go beyond Earth orbit.

    Nevertheless, some of America's best-known astronauts think the shuttles should have been kept around a while longer — particularly because NASA will be dependent on the Russians for rides to the space station for the next three to five years.

    'Unfortunate decision'
    "The unfortunate decision eight and a half years ago to terminate the shuttle program, in my opinion, prematurely grounded Discovery and delayed our research," retired senator-astronaut John Glenn said during today's handover ceremony at the museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia.

    Former senator-astronaut John Glenn speaks as the Smithsonian formally accepts space shuttle Discovery for permanent exhibition.

    Another retired astronaut who rode on Discovery, Tom Jones, voiced similar frustration during an interview conducted before today's ceremony. "I'm reliving the disappointment that the shuttles are retiring without a rapid successor," he told me.

    Jones wishes that the White House and Congress had revved up NASA's plan for new spaceships capable of going to the space station and beyond: the Constellation Program, which initially aimed to put U.S. astronauts back on the moon by 2020. Instead, Constellation was so cash-starved and technically challenged that the Obama White House scrubbed the program and reworked elements of it into the current plan to visit an asteroid by 2025.

    "We dropped the ball on this," Jones said. "If we just went from 0.5 percent of the federal budget to 0.6 percent, this would all be a non-issue."

    The benefit of retaining an American system for resupplying the space station is what motivated Glenn's call to keep the shuttles flying. Glenn made his pitch to the White House in 2010 — but Obama didn't go for it, and the former Democratic senator told me today that he accepts the verdict.

    "No need crying over what happened in the past," Glenn said. "Let's get on with the future."

    The 'Hubble Hugger' and his pin
    Grunsfeld thinks the White House made the right call, at least on the question of grounding the shuttles. He's best-known for his role as a spacewalker on Hubble servicing missions in 1999, 2002 and 2009. During that last mission, Grunsfeld was the one who bade the Hubble Space Telescope goodbye forever. Now he's NASA's associate administrator for science. The way Grunsfeld sees it, keeping the shuttles flying might have led to another disaster like the 1986 Challenger explosion — or the loss of Columbia and its seven STS-107 crew members in 2003.

    "There's a possibility we could have flown them for a little bit longer, or extended them at some cost," Grunsfeld told me. "I'm actually extremely thankful that we are rolling Discovery into the Air and Space Museum, and not burying its parts. We flew out the space shuttle program gracefully. We didn't lose another one. It would have been tragic. The fact is that the space shuttle program was ended with dignity — it was an amazing accomplishment, and I'm just thankful for that."

    Then he shared what he called a "small, personal story."

    "Just this morning, on my flight suit for the first time since the loss of Columbia, I took my STS-107 pin off. I felt like this was an apt celebration, that we flew out the program safely after Columbia, and that affected me very deeply," Grunsfeld said. "Now that we are where we are, I'm looking forward to getting the next space vehicle going."

    The end ... and the beginning
    Retired astronaut Eileen Collins, who became NASA's first woman shuttle pilot during a 1995 mission on Discovery and went on to command shuttle missions in 1999 and 2005, has some firsthand knowledge about the risks associated with flying the shuttles.

    The 2005 mission on Discovery marked NASA's "return to flight" after the Columbia tragedy. She and most other people at NASA had thought they had solved the foam-loss problem that led to the Columbia's doom — but mission managers were shocked to see that the fuel tank shed a substantial piece of foam insulation during Discovery's ascent. No significant harm was done, but it took another year for NASA engineers to rework the problem to their satisfaction.

    This week, retired NASA shuttle manager Wayne Hale recounted the episode in a blog item headlined "How We Nearly Lost Discovery."

    Today, Collins noted that each shuttles was originally designed to fly for 100 missions or 10 years, whichever came first. Discovery, the most traveled of the shuttles, flew 39 missions ... over the course of 28 years. She recalled that she agreed with the shuttle retirement plan that was announced in 2004, but was disappointed when the Constellation Program was canceled in 2010.

    "At that time, I would say yes, we should keep the shuttles flying — with one major exception. Back in 2006, we at NASA made major decisions to start shutting down the pipeline for parts. In 2010, to reverse the decision and continue flying the shuttles was going to be very expensive and take a very long time. So it wasn't realistic to fly them again," she told me.

    "The worst thing we can do to our people is to constantly change things ... so in the end, the right thing to do was to fly out shuttle. I am personally very sad to see it go. But the big problem is, we don't have anything to follow on right now. We're going to get there. It's just that right now, we don't have it."

    It's not the end of the shuttle program that bothers Collins. Rather, it's the possibility that NASA won't be able to follow through on the beginning of the next program.

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    "I don't want to see any more canceled programs," she told a school group after today's ceremony. "If we have problems, we need to fix those problems and press on. We can't just cancel and walk away from them. I go to schools, and I talk to kids, and I say, 'If you have problems, stick with it, fix it, don't give up.' We don't want to continue to give up on programs that are going to be taking us out into space, whether it's with robots or with people. We need to keep working on those programs."

    What do you think? Here's your chance to weigh in on the end of the shuttle program and the beginning of the next chapter in exploration. Just leave a comment below.

    More about what's next for NASA:

    • NASA gives all-clear for commercial launch to space station
    • NASA's chief says end of shuttle era could usher in new age
    • NASA unveils giant rocket design for future space odysseys
    • NASA retools spaceship design for missions beyond Earth orbit
    • Next steps in a commercial space race

    Alan Boyle is msnbc.com's science editor. Connect with the Cosmic Log community by "liking" the log's Facebook page, following @b0yle on Twitter or adding Cosmic Log's Google+ page to your circle. You can also check out "The Case for Pluto," my book about the controversial dwarf planet and the search for other worlds.

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    I have to admit I was a bit taken back when Senator John Glenn didn't tow the company (Democratic) line. Good for him. Yesterday I revisited John F. Kennedy's epic Rice University Speech. I thought it was fascinating that he said the Moon project was going to cost each American about 50 cents in tax …

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  • 8
    Dec
    2011
    9:34pm, EST

    Used Russian spaceship will land in Seattle museum

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    Spacesuits lie next to the Soyuz space capsule that returned from the International Space Station to the Kazakh steppes on April 8, 2009. The capsule, as well as Charles Simonyi's spacesuit, will go on display at Seattle's Museum of Flight.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

    Space billionaire Charles Simonyi says he'll let Seattle's Museum of Flight show off the Russian Soyuz spaceship that sent him into space in 2009, along with his spacesuit and "a real, working space toilet" from Russia.

    The arrangement, announced today, comes on top of the $3 million that Simonyi and his wife contributed to construction of the museum's newly named Charles Simonyi Space Gallery.

    In addition to Simonyi's artifacts, the $12 million, 15,500-square-foot facility will feature a space shuttle mockup that was once used to train NASA astronauts. The full-fuselage trainer is expected to be delivered to Seattle by NASA's Guppy transport airplane in stages beginning in June.

    Simonyi, a Hungarian native who made his billion-dollar fortune as a Microsoft executive, took trips to the International Space Station in 2007 and 2009 at a estimated cost of $25 million to $35 million. (The price went up between those two flights.) In all, he has spent 26 days, 14 hours and 27 minutes in space, "which is more than anybody who doesn't work for the government," quipped Doug King, the museum's president and CEO.

    Simonyi's Soyuz is still in Russia being prepared for the trip to Seattle, but King said he expected it to arrive in March, well in advance of the gallery's official opening in June.

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    Billionaire space passenger Charles Simonyi, seated at left, and Russian cosmonaut Yuri Lonchakov rest after returning from the International Space Station in a Soyuz capsule.

    The TMA-14 spacecraft was launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on March 26, 2009, sending Simonyi and two other spacefliers to the International Space Station. Simonyi spent 13 days in space, and came back down on a different Soyuz with two returning space station residents, NASA's Mike Fincke and Russia's Yuri Lonchakov.

    TMA-14 stayed docked to the space station until Oct. 11, 2009, when it made the successful trip home with three other spacefliers. After the landing, the sensitive electronic items were removed and the capsule was sold to Simonyi at an undisclosed price. In the past, Russian crew capsules have been sold at auction for $1.7 million and $2.9 million — which suggests Simonyi paid a seven-figure price for his Soyuz. 

    "It's a used spacecraft," Simonyi told me jokingly. "It is junk, basically." Nevertheless, he said he made a pact with his wife, Lisa Persdotter, that the Soyuz would serve as his birthday, Christmas and anniversary present ... "perhaps even in perpetuity."

    The spacecraft will be on indefinite loan to the Museum of Flight. This won't be the first slightly used Soyuz capsule to be purchased by a passenger and put on display: An earlier spaceflight participant, New Jersey inventor/entrepreneur Greg Olsen bought the Soyuz he rode in on, and it's due to be exhibited at New York's Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum.

    More travelers on the way?
    Among those on hand for today's christening of the gallery was Eric Anderson, chairman of Space Adventures, the Virginia-based company that brokered orbital spaceflights for Simonyi and other deep-pocketed space passengers. Anderson told me that his company was aiming to fly three clients on Soyuz craft beginning in 2013. The arrangement with the Russians calls for the passengers to go up to the space station on a series of flights, rather than all at once. The price tag is likely to be well in excess of the estimated $40 million paid out in 2009 by Cirque du Soleil founder Guy Laliberte, the most recent private space passenger to take a seat.

    Now that the space shuttle fleet has been retired, NASA has to pay the Russians more than $50 million for each U.S. astronaut going to the space station. The price that private clients will pay for their 10-day trips is likely to be in the same ballpark.

    Space Adventures is also offering round-the-moon trips for two passengers, on a beefed-up Soyuz craft that would be piloted by a professional Russian cosmonaut. The cost for each seat is estimated at $100 million to $150 million. One of the seats has been sold, and Anderson said he hoped to announce the second sale in 2012.

    One thing is certain: Simonyi won't be on that flight. The 63-year-old says he has his hands full as the founder and chairman of Intentional Software ... and as the father of a 9-month-old daughter. "I promised my wife I wouldn't even consider it," he told me.

    More about space artifacts:

    • The real dirt about the Soyuz space toilet
    • Shuttles' future homes: Fla., Calif., D.C., N.Y.
    • Shuttle launch pad parts arrive for display in Houston
    • Astronauts raise curtain on 'Beyond Planet Earth'

    Update for 6:10 p.m. Feb. 11, 2012: It turns out that the Soyuz brought to Seattle was the TMA-14 spacecraft, rather than the TMA-13, as originally reported. I've updated this item to reflect the situation, as described by the Museum of Flight.


    Microsoft, where Simonyi used to work, is a partner along with NBC Universal in the msnbc.com joint venture. I helped prepare a mission pamphlet for Simonyi's first spaceflight in 2007 as a freelance project.

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    I will definitely make a stop at the museum in Seattle. I wish they had gotten one of the actual shuttle orbiters. That's really the reason the gallery was built in the first place.

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  • 18
    Aug
    2011
    2:43pm, EDT

    Space shuttle Atlantis' engines removed in Florida

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    Technicians prepare to remove one of the space shuttle Atlantis' three main engines from the orbiter's aft section on Aug. 18, using a highly modified fork lift in Orbiter Processing Facility Bay 2 at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The engines will be stowed for study or future use.

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    A wider view shows the space shuttle Atlantis inside the Orbiter Processing Facility.

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    nice pics!!...I start the bidding at 5.00 dollars for the engines from a real space ship, which of course, did not bounce when landing....I hope if the russians renig on thier deal (not unheard of, think PU promises) we strip the pensions from all the higher ups involved, from the presidents to the …

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  • 21
    Jul
    2011
    2:08pm, EDT

    NASA via EPA

    The space shuttle Atlantis, appearing like a bean sprout against clouds and city lights, on its way home, as photographed by the Expedition 28 crew of the International Space Station on Thursday, July 21. Airglow over Earth can be seen in the background. The Atlantis returned to Earth marking the end of the space shuttle era when its wheels touched down for the last time at the Kennedy Space Center.

    Unprecedented view of the Atlantis photographed by the Expedition 28 crew

    By Elena Grothe

    What a shot!

    Related content:

    • Space shuttle Atlantis lands, ending an era at NASA
    • Slideshow: Final countdown for Atlantis
    • Shuttle photos on PhotoBlog
    • Cosmic Log on msnbc

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    This is the most beautiful sight. What a sweet ending. AS the late Jimmy Durante would say "Aurivoir, Alfweidisan and Inka Dinka Doo". Good night shuttle program. Rest easy. Job well done. (please excuse my spelling)

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  • 20
    Jul
    2011
    2:01am, EDT

    New frontiers for shuttle souvenirs

    Courtesy of Robert Z. Pearlman

    A collection of shuttle mission patches, including patches representing STS-1 (the first mission) and STS-135 (the last), can be an inexpensive way to keep spaceflight memories alive.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

    Space shuttle memorabilia may never be as highly prized as a spacesuit patch sprinkled with moondust — or a lock of Neil Armstrong's hair — but items from the 30-year space program are likely to rise in value as the shuttle era fades into the history books.

    Moon-mission memorabilia will always get the top rating on the space souvenir scale, said Robert Pearlman, editor of CollectSpace.com, a website that tracks space history and artifacts as well as modern-day missions. "The peak item among all space history is something that's been to the moon, and in the process of that, picked up moondust," he told me.


    Most of the material from the moon — ranging from rocks to dust-laden spacesuits and gloves — is held by NASA for research or by museums for display. Such objects are closely watched, and lunar larceny always makes for a good story: The recently published book "Sex on the Moon" tells the tale of a NASA intern who stole 17 pounds of Apollo moon rocks from Johnson Space Center to impress his girlfriend, and then there's the brouhaha over moon rocks that were given to the state of Alaska but ended up in the possession of a vessel captain who says he fished them out of the trash.

    Items that come up for legitimate sale — the occasional spacesuit patch, or wrist-worn checklist, or even a strip of cloth that was torn from a flag before it flew to the moon — can go for tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even a well-placed autograph by an Apollo astronaut fetches big bucks  — particularly if that astronaut is Neil Armstrong, who set down on the moon exactly 42 years ago today. Among the top sellers: a page from an Apollo 11 flight plan inscribed by Armstrong ($152,000), and one of Armstrong's signed checks from 1969 ($27,350).

    In contrast, autographs from space shuttle astronauts generally go for $10 to $20 on the secondary market, Pearlman said. "Or you can get them for free, if they're still with the program," he said. Just send a request to your favorite astronaut in care of NASA Johnson Space Center, CB/Astronaut Office, Houston, TX 77058, and you'll get an autographed photo in reply.

    Here are a few other categories of items that Pearlman recommends for a shuttle-era collection:

    Mission patches: It's relatively easy to come by the same types of patches that the astronauts wear. A-B Emblem makes the patches used by NASA as well as the "official" shuttle mission patches offered by many hobby shops and mail-order websites. They generally run $5 per patch. Collecting all 135 isn't out of the question (um, that would be $675 or so). Patches that were actually flown in space (or better yet, worn by the astronauts) are harder to come by and more expensive.

    Postal mementos: "For the price of a stamp you can get a memento of the last landing, or still the last launch," Pearlman said. Actually, make that two stamps. You can send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to Postmaster, NASA Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899, and ask to have the envelope, also known as a cover, hand-canceled and sent back to you with the date of launch or landing. Pearlman said U.S. Postal Service rules allow the postmaster to back-date such cancellations up to 30 days, so you're still in the clear for Atlantis' July 8 launch. To make the memento more special, some folks decorate the envelopes with space-themed artwork, and use spacey stamps like the Mercury stamps issued this year. (But make sure the stamps provide the proper postage.)

    Flown items: Bucketfuls of mementos have been flown up on shuttle missions and brought back down to Earth. After the missions, they're kept by the astronauts as souvenirs, or given away to VIPs, museums and schools. Some historically significant items have been flown on behalf of institutions: For the last Hubble servicing mission, the crew brought up a basketball that was used by astronomer Edwin Hubble when he was on the University of Chicago's championship team. Atlantis' mission is no different. "This flight has 22,000 American flags on board," Pearlman said. Such flags do turn up for sale, and "in theory it'd be possible to put together a collection of American flags from each of the 135 missions," he said. An alternative would be to snag one of the 10,000 flags that was flown on the first shuttle mission in 1981, and pair it with one of the thousands being flown on Atlantis to mark the shuttle era's beginning and end.

    Mission 'mistakes': Just as flawed stamps and coins go for a premium, "mistaken" mission memorabilia will sometimes be more collectible than your run-of-the-mill shuttle stuff, depending on the rarity of such items. For example, an authentic mission patch for STS-61E, a flight that was canceled due to the 1986 Challenger explosion, can go for hundreds of dollars. Something similar could conceivably happen with memorabilia related to last year's flight of Atlantis, STS-132, which was touted at the time as Atlantis' final flight. Later, NASA decided to add one more flight of Atlantis, meaning that STS-132 is no longer the last. "That's now viewed as a mistake," Pearlman said.

    Shuttle parts: Space shuttle tiles have been popular collectibles through the years, Pearlman said, but with the shuttle era winding down, "NASA has made them more and less available at the same time." The space agency has clamped down on distribution of the discarded tiles through surplus sales. The tiles that have been removed from the shuttles during processing are buried in disposal sites — and in fact, a former shuttle worker was arrested in February for rescuing tiles from the trash and selling them. Over the past few months, NASA has been getting rid of thousands of unused tiles and other castoffs by distributing them to museums and educational institutions. If you qualify, you pay a nominal amount for shipping and handling — less than $25 for a tile. But if you're just a collector, you'll have to turn to the secondary market. Just make sure it's legit.

    Will shuttle memorabilia ever rank as high as Apollo memorabilia? Not likely. Two of the prime factors behind collectibility are rarity and an artifact's ability to fire the imagination — and it's hard to beat the Apollo moon missions on that score. Less than 40 men went into space during the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs, including 12 who walked on the moon. In comparison, 355 astronauts flew on 135 shuttle missions to low Earth orbit.

    "One hundred and thirty-five missions may scare away collectors, because it was such a large program," Pearlman said.

    But when you look beyond the trinkets, it's hard to escape the sense that appreciation of the space shuttle program will grow in time, as Americans reflect on its accomplishments (building the International Space Station and fixing Hubble) rather than its failings (high cost and high risk, including the loss of 14 astronauts).

    "There is a shuttle generation that hasn't yet grown old enough to pine for their youth," Pearlman said, "but that will come in; the next 20 or 30 years. The space shuttle will be part of those childhood memories. The program is ending a bit prematurely for that generation. To be honest, it's ending prematurely for any generation. But they say that you should go out at the top ... well, the shuttle certainly seems to be going out at its peak."

    How will the shuttle era be remembered? As that era heads into its final day, feel free to reminisce and reflect in the comment space below. 

    More tales of space souvenirs:

    • Ex-astronaut tries to sell camera from moon trip
    • Buzz Aldrin sues trading-card company
    • Confederate flags on space station draw ire
    • Missing moondust returned to NASA
    • Apollo 12 'Playboy' stowaway auctioned
    • Vintage Soviet space capsule sold for $2.9 million

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    I'll say good bye to the shuttle program but I hope I'm not saying good bye to the entire space exploration program. All those dreams generated in millions of American kids by Gemini, Apollo, Soyuz, MIR, SkyLab, the moon shots, Voyager, Rover, Hubble. All absolutely astounding.

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  • 15
    Jul
    2011
    5:48pm, EDT

    Courtesy of Chris Bray

    At left, 13-year-old Chris Bray scans the crowd witnessing the first space shuttle launch on April 12, 1981, while his 39-year-old father, Kenneth, looks through binoculars. At right, Chris and Kenneth strike a similar pose at the last shuttle launch on July 8, 2011.

    Father and son at shuttle's start and end

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

    They’re just a father and his son, out taking pictures at a shuttle launch. But these pictures reflect 30 years of history. On the left, Chris Bray and his father, Kenneth, stand out in the crowd that gathered to watch the first space shuttle lift off on April 12, 1981. Thirty years later, Chris and Kenneth commemorated the last shuttle launch by striking the same pose. The then-and-now photos have become an Internet sensation.

    As of today, the pictures have been viewed almost 700,000 times on Chris Bray's Flickr photo gallery — and that doesn't count the additional traffic to Yahoo and The Washington Post (or, ahem, to this posting).

    The Brays went to Kennedy Space Center in 1981 because Kenneth, then a 39-year-old jewelry designer, was commissioned to create a series of pins for the first shuttle mission. He brought 13-year-old Chris along to share the experience. Chris' mother, Ginny, took the father-and-son picture.

    When the Brays heard about the final shuttle launch, they saw it as a golden opportunity to mark 30 years for the NASA space program as well as their own lives. Chris is now 43, and works for an interactive marketing agency in New York. Kenneth, 69, is still working as well. They put their names in for a lottery to purchase tickets to view the July 8 launch from the Astronaut Hall of Fame's grounds near the space center. The Brays won a place at the party, and despite flight delays and a rental-car snafu, they made it to the spot in plenty of time to re-create the 1981 pose. This time the photographer was Chris' girlfriend, Chelsea.

    Chris calls it "the picture we waited 30 years to complete."

    I asked Chris a couple of questions about then and now via email:

    Q: It sounds as if you have shared space experiences. Any other special memories? How many launches have you seen?

    A: These were the only two launches we attended. Other "space memories" involve building model rockets together, and astronomy ... watching solar eclipses with a pinhole box, getting up at 2 a.m. to go look at Saturn and Jupiter. Those types of things.

    Q: Can you cast your mind back to what you were thinking when the 1981 picture was taken, and what you were thinking last week?

    A: I remember being excited and anxious at the first launch. I had never seen an actual launch, and I had some memories of watching the later Apollo flights on TV, so this was a thrill. The most vivid memory of the first launch was the sound. Last week, I remember turning to my girlfriend and saying, "I feel like I'm 13 again."

    If you're 40-something or older, these pictures are likely to spark reflections about how times have changed over the past three decades, for the space program, for society and for your own lives. Please feel free to share your reflections — even if you weren't around when the first shuttle flew.


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    Update: Watch the Bray's interview with Ann Curry on TODAY, July 21, 2011.

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    Nice! The shots have that personal element with that historical significance. A picture to be framed for posterity. What an event the first space shuttle launch must have been! Sadly, I never went to see any space shuttle launches in person. And being a science fan, I feel a growing sense of regret  …

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  • 13
    Jul
    2011
    11:42pm, EDT

    SpaceX chief aims for Mars

    Brendan Smialowski / Getty Images

    SpaceX CEO Elon Musk stands alongside rocket models at the National Press Club as he announces plans to build the Falcon Heavy rocket. Observers say the heavy-lift launch system could send an 11-ton payload to Mars.

    By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

    Don't expect to hear any nostalgia about the soon-to-end space shuttle era from Elon Musk, the millionaire founder of Space Exploration Technologies. Musk isn't prone to look to the past, but rather to the future — to a "new era of spaceflight" that eventually leads to Mars.

    SpaceX may be on the Red Planet sooner than you think: When I talked with him in advance of the shuttle Atlantis' last liftoff, the 40-year-old engineer-entrepreneur told me the company's Dragon capsule could take on a robotic mission to Mars as early as 2016. And he's already said it'd be theoretically possible to send humans to Mars in the next 10 to 20 years —  bettering NASA's target timeframe of the mid-2030s.


    You can't always take Musk's timelines at face value. This is rocket science, after all, and Musk himself acknowledges that his company's projects don't always finish on time. But if he commits himself to a task, he tends to see it through. "It may take more time than I expected, but I'll always come through," he told me a year ago.

    Since that interview, a lot of things have come through for SpaceX. The company has conducted successful tests of its Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon capsule. Before the end of the year, another test flight is expected to send a Dragon craft all the way to the space station for the first time. If that test is successful, SpaceX can start launching cargo to the International Space Station under the terms of a $1.6 billion NASA contract.

    The company is also in line to receive $75 million more from NASA to start turning the Dragon into a crew-worthy space taxi for astronauts by 2015 or so. And just today, the company broke ground on a California launch pad that could be used by the next-generation Falcon Heavy rocket starting in 2013.

    Once the Dragon and the Falcon Heavy are in service, the main pieces would be in place for a Mars mission, Musk said.

    "One of the ideas we're talking to NASA about is ... using Dragon as a science delivery platform for Mars and a few other locations," he told me. "This would be possibly be several tons of payload — actually, a single Dragon mission could land with more payload than has been delivered to Mars cumulatively in history."

    SpaceX is working with NASA's Ames Research Center in California on an interplanetary mission concept that could theoretically be put into effect for a launch "five or six years from now," Musk said.

    By that time, astronauts will once again be riding on U.S.-made spaceships to the space station, including the Dragon — that is, if the current schedules hold true. But there's a lot of doubt surrounding those schedules. As you'd expect, the end of the space shuttle program and the shape of spaceships to come were major themes in my conversation with Musk. Here's an edited version of the Q&A on those subjects:

    Cosmic Log: A lot of people are saying that when the space shuttle stops flying, that might be the end of the American space program. The idea is that commercial spaceflight providers are not going to be able to do the job, and there won't be sustainable interest in building the beyond-Earth-orbit rocket that NASA has on the drawing board. What's your response to the claim that this is really the end?

    Elon Musk: It flies in the face of the facts. Six months ago, we had the second launch of the Falcon 9 and the first launch of the Dragon. The Dragon orbited Earth twice, it performed orbital maneuvers, it made a precision re-entry under the control of thrusters, and it landed within a mile of our target. We brought the Dragon back, and it was actually in good enough condition that we could fly it again if we wanted to.

    SpaceX

    SpaceX's Dragon capsule sits on the deck of its recovery ship after its successful orbital flight in December.

    So as far as I'm concerned, it's not the death of anything. What we're really facing is quite the opposite. I think we're at the dawn of a new era of spaceflight, one which is going to advance much faster than it ever has in the past.

    The space shuttle was designed in the '70s, and it really didn't improve after almost 40 years. They've upgraded the electronics here and there, but that's about it. That's incredibly static when you consider how other fields of technology have improved.

    Now, with the public-private partnership that NASA has established with SpaceX, and the efforts made by other companies, we're actually going to see dramatic improvements in spaceflight technology for the first time since the '60s. The Dragon is taking technology to a whole new level beyond the shuttle.

    The shuttle is fairly constrained because it's a winged vehicle with a landing gear. It can't land anywhere except Earth, and even on Earth, it can land only on certain runways. It doesn't have any ability to go beyond Earth orbit. But because the Dragon has a propulsion-based landing system and a much more capable heatshield than the shuttle's, it can land anywhere in the solar system with a solid surface — as long as you can throw it there. The Falcon Heavy can throw it pretty much anywhere in the solar system.

    Q: The Dragon certainly looks different from the shuttle, and some people might get the impression that it's a step backward, back to the days of Apollo.

    A: I've heard that. But I hope we can make it clear that this is actually a big step forward from the shuttle. It can do all sorts of things that the shuttle can't do. People look at something like wings and say, yeah, that's how a spaceship should look. But let's say you had a boat, and you put wheels on it and drove it down the road. It'd look pretty silly, right? Well, why do you have wings in a vacuum?

    Q: One of the issues that always comes up when discussing commercial involvement in NASA spaceflight is the safety issue. A lot of the critics of your program have focused on that concern as the sticking point. NASA certainly devotes a lot of attention to safety assurance, and some say that's why it's so expensive to put humans into space. Any attempt to cut corners on that would make the whole enterprise look questionable. How do you respond to that?

    A: Well, first of all, I suspect that the people saying that wouldn't have a problem flying on Southwest Airlines or driving a car or taking other types of transport that are not government-operated. The government does have a role in safety oversight, and anything we do for NASA goes through an extremely rigorous safety and liability examination. But I think what actually needs to happen is a dramatic improvement in safety. The current state of affairs with the shuttle is not acceptable at all. The shuttle's accident rate is not OK. Who would get on an airplane if you had a 1.5 percent chance of dying?

    Q: Do you see any sign that NASA has different standards for oversight of commercial operations and for the shuttle program? After all, there's a whole army of engineers dealing with shuttle operations and processing.

    A: I do think there are different standards. For us, the standards are higher. The shuttle, for example, has no escape system. We would not launch [astronauts on] our vehicle without an escape system, nor would NASA want us to. Also, with our vehicle, there's far less to go wrong on any given flight. With the shuttle, if anything serious goes wrong with this extremely complex vehicle, it's curtains. There's no escape. If the shuttle's level of reliability was acceptable, we could fly astronauts this year.

    Q: Do you think NASA has the right vision for spaceflight? The idea is that space station resupply in low Earth orbit would be left to commercial ventures, freeing NASA up to develop the heavy-lift Space Launch System for exploration beyond Earth orbit. Some people have wondered whether the Space Launch System is really going to be necessary.

    A: Personally, my view is that space transport overall should be much more of a private-public partnership, and that applies to heavy lift as well. The best use of NASA's resources is to focus on the unique scientific instruments and payloads that are truly one-off items. That's actually how it works right now for Earth-observing and space science missions. They launch the spacecraft primarily on United Launch Alliance rockets, a Delta or an Atlas. If it's a probe to Mars, or to the asteroid belt, or it's a weather satellite, it'll go up on a United Launch Alliance rocket. Obviously, in the future, they'll go up on our vehicles as well. I think that works pretty well, and I think it makes sense to extend that model to all sizes of rockets.

    Q: So it sounds as if you see a role for SpaceX in exploration beyond Earth orbit. Do you see any scenario where a mission to the moon or Mars could be completely private-sector?

    A: It's not out of the question. I do think missions like that are ideally handled as public-private partnerships. There are questions about how you'd pay for the missions. But the absolute goal of SpaceX is to develop the technologies to make life multiplanetary, which means being able to transport huge volumes of people and cargo to Mars. So we'll do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal.

    Previously:

    • Is the space effort dying, or evolving?
    • After the shuttle lands, layoffs loom
    • Shuttle's legacy: Soaring in orbit and costs 
    • Gallery: Ten players in the commercial space race

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    Remove the politician from this equation and we can do it.

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  • 7
    Jul
    2011
    12:52pm, EDT

    Pee recycling to get shuttle test

    NASA / Monica Soler

    A researcher demonstrates a pee-recycling technology based on forward osmosis that will be tested on the space shuttle Atlantis.

    By John Roach, Contributing Writer, NBC News

    During the final days of shuttle Atlantis' final flight, an astronaut will inject a urine-like fluid into a special bag designed to convert the fluid into a drinkable, sugary solution. If it works, future astronauts may use it to make their own pee a safe and satisfying liquid refreshment.

    Astronauts on the International Space Station already drink recycled urine but the glitch-y system takes energy from the orbital lab's limited supply. The new system doesn't require electricity; rather it relies on a process called "forward osmosis."


    NASA describes forward osmosis as "the natural diffusion of water through a semi-permeable membrane from a solution of a lower concentration to a solution with a higher concentration. The semi-permeable membrane acts as a barrier that allows small molecules such as water to pass through while blocking larger molecules like salts, sugars, starches, proteins, viruses, bacteria and parasites."

    The semi-permeable membrane (a bag) is filled with a sugary solution that is nested within an outer bag. The dirty fluid — including pee, sweat and dishwater — is injected into the outer bag. As it makes it way to the inner bag, the contaminants are left behind. The result, if all goes well, is a quaffable liquid.

    One of the four astronauts will test the textbook-size recycler toward the end of Atlantis' 12-day mission, scheduled for liftoff on Friday. Fortunately, the test will be with a pee-like solution, not the actual bodily fluid.

    The system was demonstrated to reporters at the Kennedy Space Center this week. Wired's Dave Mosher, who was on scene, has the details.

    More on peeing and drinking in space:

    • Space urine recycler to get fix-it part
    • Cheers! Crew drinks up recycled urine in space
    • Broken urine recycler may affect space mission
    • We won't water it down: That is potable pee
    • Space beer headed for zero gravity bar

    John Roach is a contributing writer for msnbc.com. Connect with the Cosmic Log community by hitting the "like" button on the Cosmic Log Facebook page or following msnbc.com's science editor, Alan Boyle, on Twitter (@b0yle).

     

     

     

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    Looks like Science Fiction`s "DUNE" technology at work here!

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